3D Orbiter images? - Orbiter-Forum

**george7378** · 01-16-2010, 09:55 AM

Hi all,

Is it possible to make 3D images of Orbiter scenes? I know a 3D image is just a stereo of a single image, but I don't have the skill in photo editing to try it myself.

Thanks.

**Urwumpe** · 01-16-2010, 10:00 AM

You just need actually two slightly different camera positions and then change the colors of each screenshot a bit, before merging them.

**Artlav** · 01-16-2010, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by george7378

3D images

Define 3D images.
For any kind you'll need two pictures - if doing it manually, just take a screenshot, move camera right/left a little, take second screenshot.

Now, if you want a anaglyph (red-blue) image, you need to merge the images putting one into the red channel, and another into the blue/blue&green channel/s, which can be done easily with gimp/photoshop and online lessons.

If you want some other sort - what is it?

**Cpt CryBaby** · 01-17-2010, 12:07 AM

Greetings George 7378,

Here is a link to some 3d photoshop that I've done way in the past.

http://www.stillmixtup.com/3DPage.html

These images require the viewer to cross their eyes.

It takes a bit of paitence and some fairly hefty photoshop know-how. Basically you put two identical pics side by side. One of them, you leave unaltered. Any elements that you want to shift in 3d have to be lifted from one of the images and placed on a separate layer. The hard part is that you must now go in and doctor that image so that when you shift the 3d layers there is something in the image where that layer used to be. then you simply shift the layers left or right depening on if you want them to move forward or backward. The more you shift the further back/forward they appear to go. Quite challenging and addictive once you get the hang of it. I'm quite proud of my 3-d image of the Seven Sisters. Tried to get actual distance info to make it as acurate as possible. Coulnd't find much but did apply the data that I was able to find.

There is a link to my email on my website if you have any questions.

Good Luck!

Kaito · 01-17-2010, 12:14 AM

Wow, that site is awesome!
What advantage would 3D images bring to Orbiter?

**martins** · 01-17-2010, 12:45 AM

The same trick works for stereoscopic Orbiter images. (note: these are for parallel vision)

Andy44 · 01-17-2010, 12:49 AM

Very cool, Crybaby!

You could do that in Orbiter by freezing the sim, taking a screensnap, and then then moving the camera left or right a bit and taking another screensnap. Then put them side-by-side for that cross-eyed effect.

I've seen this done with real life photographs.

**Donamy** · 01-17-2010, 03:03 AM

This is easy !!

Andy44 · 01-17-2010, 03:18 AM

Oh, man, this si too cool. Now I have to run off and make 3D pics of my add-ons!

**martins** · 01-17-2010, 03:31 AM

Ah, I notice that I am using the opposite technique to yours. In my pictures, you have to uncross your eyes - use the left image for the left eye, the right image for the right eye (i.e. essentially focus at infinity). I find that easier than the cross-eyed view. (tip: if you have problems, put a piece of paper between the two images to force your eyes to focus on the correct one).

Andy44 · 01-17-2010, 03:51 AM

Yeah, Doc S., I made that mistake too on my first try. This one is a cross-eyed 3D pic, which I find easier myself:

---------- Post added at 10:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:48 PM ----------

The funny thing is that if you look at my pic, you notice there are buildings and a solar farm on the lunar surface in the distance behind the spacecraft, and when you try to look at them your eyes try to adjust focus for distance, but of course it's an illusion since they come from a 2D screen in which everything is in focus regardless of distance.

Hehe, I see a new trend for screensnaps and add-on release pics!

Kaito · 01-17-2010, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donamy

This is easy !!

Yours was to hard, the pictures were to far apart

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy44

Yeah, Doc S., I made that mistake too on my first try. This one is a cross-eyed 3D pic, which I find easier myself:

{image}

---------- Post added at 10:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:48 PM ----------

The funny thing is that if you look at my pic, you notice there are buildings and a solar farm on the lunar surface in the distance behind the spacecraft, and when you try to look at them your eyes try to adjust focus for distance, but of course it's an illusion since they come from a 2D screen in which everything is in focus regardless of distance.

Hehe, I see a new trend for screensnaps and add-on release pics!

This one was NICE!

Andy44 · 01-17-2010, 04:03 AM

Yeah, you only want to change the viewing angle a little bit. Remember, human eyes are only 2 or 3 inches apart, and that's the effect you're trying to simulate, especially for short range objects.

Also, make sure you only move the camera sideways, not up and down, because the veiwer's eyes are arranged side by side, not vertically. Up and down will give you a headache.

**tblaxland** · 01-17-2010, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martins

Ah, I notice that I am using the opposite technique to yours. In my pictures, you have to uncross your eyes - use the left image for the left eye, the right image for the right eye (i.e. essentially focus at infinity). I find that easier than the cross-eyed view. (tip: if you have problems, put a piece of paper between the two images to force your eyes to focus on the correct one).

Thanks for the tip Martin. Because of defects with my eyes, I have never been able to do the cross-eyed version and I had been told I never would be able to. I had never seen the focus-at-infinity type and your two worked just fine, especially with the paper between them. Interestingly, I found the one with the DG in front of the ISS easier than the cockpit shot though.

**n72.75** · 01-17-2010, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tblaxland

Thanks for the tip Martin. Because of defects with my eyes, I have never been able to do the cross-eyed version and I had been told I never would be able to. I had never seen the focus-at-infinity type and your two worked just fine, especially with the paper between them. Interestingly, I found the one with the DG in front of the ISS easier than the cockpit shot though.

Another problem people may have is: if two points in each image are not at the same width as the distance between you're eyes try opening the image in a new window and zooming in or out until focusing is possible. then, while keeping focus, zoom in one step at a time until the desired magnification is reached.

01-16-2010, 09:55 AM	#1
george7378 DON'T PANIC	3D Orbiter images? Hi all, Is it possible to make 3D images of Orbiter scenes? I know a 3D image is just a stereo of a single image, but I don't have the skill in photo editing to try it myself. Thanks.

01-17-2010, 12:45 AM	#6
martins Orbiter Founder	The same trick works for stereoscopic Orbiter images. (note: these are for parallel vision) Attached Thumbnails

01-17-2010, 03:03 AM	#8
Donamy Beta Tester	This is easy !! Attached Thumbnails

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01-16-2010, 10:00 AM	#2
Urwumpe Donator	You just need actually two slightly different camera positions and then change the colors of each screenshot a bit, before merging them.

01-16-2010, 11:21 AM	#3
Artlav Aperiodic traveller	Quote: Originally Posted by george7378 3D images Define 3D images. For any kind you'll need two pictures - if doing it manually, just take a screenshot, move camera right/left a little, take second screenshot. Now, if you want a anaglyph (red-blue) image, you need to merge the images putting one into the red channel, and another into the blue/blue&green channel/s, which can be done easily with gimp/photoshop and online lessons. If you want some other sort - what is it?

01-17-2010, 12:07 AM	#4
Cpt CryBaby Orbinaut	Greetings George 7378, Here is a link to some 3d photoshop that I've done way in the past. http://www.stillmixtup.com/3DPage.html These images require the viewer to cross their eyes. It takes a bit of paitence and some fairly hefty photoshop know-how. Basically you put two identical pics side by side. One of them, you leave unaltered. Any elements that you want to shift in 3d have to be lifted from one of the images and placed on a separate layer. The hard part is that you must now go in and doctor that image so that when you shift the 3d layers there is something in the image where that layer used to be. then you simply shift the layers left or right depening on if you want them to move forward or backward. The more you shift the further back/forward they appear to go. Quite challenging and addictive once you get the hang of it. I'm quite proud of my 3-d image of the Seven Sisters. Tried to get actual distance info to make it as acurate as possible. Coulnd't find much but did apply the data that I was able to find. There is a link to my email on my website if you have any questions. Good Luck!

01-17-2010, 12:14 AM	#5
Kaito Orbiquiz Coordinator	Wow, that site is awesome! What advantage would 3D images bring to Orbiter?

01-17-2010, 12:49 AM	#7
Andy44 owner: Oil Creek Astronautix	Very cool, Crybaby! You could do that in Orbiter by freezing the sim, taking a screensnap, and then then moving the camera left or right a bit and taking another screensnap. Then put them side-by-side for that cross-eyed effect. I've seen this done with real life photographs.

01-17-2010, 03:18 AM	#9
Andy44 owner: Oil Creek Astronautix	Oh, man, this si too cool. Now I have to run off and make 3D pics of my add-ons!

01-17-2010, 03:31 AM	#10
martins Orbiter Founder	Ah, I notice that I am using the opposite technique to yours. In my pictures, you have to uncross your eyes - use the left image for the left eye, the right image for the right eye (i.e. essentially focus at infinity). I find that easier than the cross-eyed view. (tip: if you have problems, put a piece of paper between the two images to force your eyes to focus on the correct one).

01-17-2010, 03:51 AM	#11
Andy44 owner: Oil Creek Astronautix	Yeah, Doc S., I made that mistake too on my first try. This one is a cross-eyed 3D pic, which I find easier myself: ---------- Post added at 10:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:48 PM ---------- The funny thing is that if you look at my pic, you notice there are buildings and a solar farm on the lunar surface in the distance behind the spacecraft, and when you try to look at them your eyes try to adjust focus for distance, but of course it's an illusion since they come from a 2D screen in which everything is in focus regardless of distance. Hehe, I see a new trend for screensnaps and add-on release pics!

01-17-2010, 03:55 AM	#12
Kaito Orbiquiz Coordinator	Quote: Originally Posted by Donamy This is easy !! Yours was to hard, the pictures were to far apart Quote: Originally Posted by Andy44 Yeah, Doc S., I made that mistake too on my first try. This one is a cross-eyed 3D pic, which I find easier myself: {image} ---------- Post added at 10:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:48 PM ---------- The funny thing is that if you look at my pic, you notice there are buildings and a solar farm on the lunar surface in the distance behind the spacecraft, and when you try to look at them your eyes try to adjust focus for distance, but of course it's an illusion since they come from a 2D screen in which everything is in focus regardless of distance. Hehe, I see a new trend for screensnaps and add-on release pics! This one was NICE!

01-17-2010, 04:03 AM	#13
Andy44 owner: Oil Creek Astronautix	Yeah, you only want to change the viewing angle a little bit. Remember, human eyes are only 2 or 3 inches apart, and that's the effect you're trying to simulate, especially for short range objects. Also, make sure you only move the camera sideways, not up and down, because the veiwer's eyes are arranged side by side, not vertically. Up and down will give you a headache.

01-17-2010, 05:27 AM	#14
tblaxland Webmaster	Quote: Originally Posted by martins Ah, I notice that I am using the opposite technique to yours. In my pictures, you have to uncross your eyes - use the left image for the left eye, the right image for the right eye (i.e. essentially focus at infinity). I find that easier than the cross-eyed view. (tip: if you have problems, put a piece of paper between the two images to force your eyes to focus on the correct one). Thanks for the tip Martin. Because of defects with my eyes, I have never been able to do the cross-eyed version and I had been told I never would be able to. I had never seen the focus-at-infinity type and your two worked just fine, especially with the paper between them. Interestingly, I found the one with the DG in front of the ISS easier than the cockpit shot though.

01-17-2010, 05:59 AM	#15
n72.75 Donator	Quote: Originally Posted by tblaxland Thanks for the tip Martin. Because of defects with my eyes, I have never been able to do the cross-eyed version and I had been told I never would be able to. I had never seen the focus-at-infinity type and your two worked just fine, especially with the paper between them. Interestingly, I found the one with the DG in front of the ISS easier than the cockpit shot though. Another problem people may have is: if two points in each image are not at the same width as the distance between you're eyes try opening the image in a new window and zooming in or out until focusing is possible. then, while keeping focus, zoom in one step at a time until the desired magnification is reached.