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Eli13 · 07-13-2011, 09:03 PM

OK, in making the Icon for this project (yes Ky contacted me to create it) would it be OK to use Boeing's corporate logo on it?

Kyle · 07-13-2011, 09:09 PM

Here's a good video in general of CST-100 operations.

YouTube - ‪Boeing/Bigelow Crew Space Transport Vehicle‬&rlm;

diogom · 07-13-2011, 09:25 PM

*He says in a crazy scientist voice: It's alive!

A quick config file for it got it "flying". Here are two pics. One of them has the Shuttle for comparison.

Kyle · 07-13-2011, 09:30 PM

Didn't know CST-100 was that big compared to shuttle..

ky · 07-13-2011, 09:30 PM

Can you please send me the ini and scenario file?

Tacolev · 07-13-2011, 09:48 PM

Looking good diogom.

I will second that it looks a little big though. Maybe it's just the perspective. 5m diameter right?

ky · 07-13-2011, 09:53 PM

Actually im going to recheck that in sketchup.

DaveS · 07-13-2011, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diogom

*He says in a crazy scientist voice: It's alive!

A quick config file for it got it "flying". Here are two pics. One of them has the Shuttle for comparison.
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Looks nice, although a bit dark compared to the orbiter. It's almost like it is in shadow. A bit of color correction maybe?

diogom · 07-13-2011, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tacolev

I will second that it looks a little big though. Maybe it's just the perspective. 5m diameter right?

The SM is right above the payload bay in the pic, almost inside it.

**Capt_hensley** · 07-13-2011, 10:17 PM

More source info, using a CST-100 search on the Boeing site, since they are uncooperative as usual.

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...ckgrounder.pdf
http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers...er/i_bds02.pdf
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...ion/about.html
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1323
http://www.spacetimesnews.com/news/2...boeings-plans/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3541478/...acecraft-come/

No details but a nice presentation
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/553719main_M...%202011%20.pdf

I'm working through the NASASpaceFlight site, CST-100 thread, Found this if it helps

"Um, the RS-88 was designed to be an Abort motor. The total thrust is greater than the escape tower for Apollo, in fact it could loose one of it's thrusters and still be greater.

Apollo's escape tower produced 147,000 lbf, compared to the four RS-88's combined 220,000 lbf. Apollo was a bit lighter, mind you, but not dramatically. The combined capsule + tower for Apollo was a bit over 9,000 kg. CST-100 with all systems is supposed to be around 11,000 kg. So, even with the extra two metric tons, the LAS on the CST-100 is more capable than that on the Apollo."

I hope these help, it takes time to research all this, beyond just a google search which does not always reveal what you need.

Tacolev · 07-13-2011, 10:56 PM

Yeah it's frustrating how little is public about this thing.

That thread on NASASpaceFlight is also where the mass figure comes from.

Best guess from the rocketplane xp sources are that the RS-88 is KeroLOX, so if that's true RCS and retros are probably going to be something else.

As for the size issue. unless I'm mistaken this thing shouldn't be that much bigger than the 4.6m shuttle payload bay. Maybe try throwing it on one of the delta add-ons to make sure?

**Capt_hensley** · 07-13-2011, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tacolev

Yeah it's frustrating how little is public about this thing.

That thread on NASASpaceFlight is also where the mass figure comes from.

Best guess from the rocketplane xp sources are that the RS-88 is KeroLOX, so if that's true RCS and retros are probably going to be something else.

As for the size issue. unless I'm mistaken this thing shouldn't be that much bigger than the 4.6m shuttle payload bay. Maybe try throwing it on one of the delta add-ons to make sure?

I'm betting there is ton's of public information on this, but it's well hidden from public view and immediate access.

Thank for the support.

---------- Post added at 11:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:01 PM ----------

Sent a simple request looking for "Fact Sheets" on the CST-100 to the Seattle Webmaster, we shall see what we get back. I didn't mention anything other than I was a student doing a research paper.

Maybe someone should try it as well, but use "Press Kit" as another angle?!.

I'm working on a NASA PAO, FOIA request. This takes more time to compose... If it looks good we should send it to Boeing PAO simultaneously.

I could use some help looking for the CCDev Contract specs from the NASA archive.

ky · 07-14-2011, 02:53 AM

Thanks to everyone for their support and hard work on this endeavour.We have two patches from Eli,they are shown below an will be on the spacecraft.Thanks for great work as always, Eli!

ky · 07-14-2011, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tacolev

As for the size issue. unless I'm mistaken this thing shouldn't be that much bigger than the 4.6m shuttle payload bay. Maybe try throwing it on one of the delta add-ons to make sure?

I'm going to fix the size and resend it to Diogom.

n0mad23 · 07-14-2011, 03:25 AM

This is looking like it's going to be tremendous fun! Will certainly be keeping my eyes on the progress!

07-14-2011, 02:53 AM	#43
ky Director of Manned Spaceflight	Thanks to everyone for their support and hard work on this endeavour.We have two patches from Eli,they are shown below an will be on the spacecraft.Thanks for great work as always, Eli! Attached Thumbnails

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07-13-2011, 09:03 PM	#31
Eli13 Fish Dreamer	OK, in making the Icon for this project (yes Ky contacted me to create it) would it be OK to use Boeing's corporate logo on it?

07-13-2011, 09:25 PM	#33
diogom Survivor of 21/10/2011	*He says in a crazy scientist voice: It's alive! A quick config file for it got it "flying". Here are two pics. One of them has the Shuttle for comparison.

07-13-2011, 09:30 PM	#34
Kyle Armchair Astronaut	Didn't know CST-100 was that big compared to shuttle..

07-13-2011, 09:48 PM	#36
Tacolev Soviet-Electric Space Stapler	Looking good diogom. I will second that it looks a little big though. Maybe it's just the perspective. 5m diameter right?

07-13-2011, 09:53 PM	#37
ky Director of Manned Spaceflight	Actually im going to recheck that in sketchup.

07-13-2011, 10:02 PM	#38
DaveS SSU GSE Specialist	Quote: Originally Posted by diogom *He says in a crazy scientist voice: It's alive! A quick config file for it got it "flying". Here are two pics. One of them has the Shuttle for comparison. {image} {image} Looks nice, although a bit dark compared to the orbiter. It's almost like it is in shadow. A bit of color correction maybe?

07-13-2011, 10:02 PM	#39
diogom Survivor of 21/10/2011	Quote: Originally Posted by Tacolev I will second that it looks a little big though. Maybe it's just the perspective. 5m diameter right? The SM is right above the payload bay in the pic, almost inside it.

07-13-2011, 10:17 PM	#40
Capt_hensley Captain, USS Pabilli	More source info, using a CST-100 search on the Boeing site, since they are uncooperative as usual. http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...ckgrounder.pdf http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers...er/i_bds02.pdf http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...ion/about.html http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1323 http://www.spacetimesnews.com/news/2...boeings-plans/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3541478/...acecraft-come/ No details but a nice presentation http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/553719main_M...%202011%20.pdf I'm working through the NASASpaceFlight site, CST-100 thread, Found this if it helps "Um, the RS-88 was designed to be an Abort motor. The total thrust is greater than the escape tower for Apollo, in fact it could loose one of it's thrusters and still be greater. Apollo's escape tower produced 147,000 lbf, compared to the four RS-88's combined 220,000 lbf. Apollo was a bit lighter, mind you, but not dramatically. The combined capsule + tower for Apollo was a bit over 9,000 kg. CST-100 with all systems is supposed to be around 11,000 kg. So, even with the extra two metric tons, the LAS on the CST-100 is more capable than that on the Apollo." I hope these help, it takes time to research all this, beyond just a google search which does not always reveal what you need.

07-13-2011, 10:56 PM	#41
Tacolev Soviet-Electric Space Stapler	Yeah it's frustrating how little is public about this thing. That thread on NASASpaceFlight is also where the mass figure comes from. Best guess from the rocketplane xp sources are that the RS-88 is KeroLOX, so if that's true RCS and retros are probably going to be something else. As for the size issue. unless I'm mistaken this thing shouldn't be that much bigger than the 4.6m shuttle payload bay. Maybe try throwing it on one of the delta add-ons to make sure?

07-13-2011, 11:23 PM	#42
Capt_hensley Captain, USS Pabilli	Quote: Originally Posted by Tacolev Yeah it's frustrating how little is public about this thing. That thread on NASASpaceFlight is also where the mass figure comes from. Best guess from the rocketplane xp sources are that the RS-88 is KeroLOX, so if that's true RCS and retros are probably going to be something else. As for the size issue. unless I'm mistaken this thing shouldn't be that much bigger than the 4.6m shuttle payload bay. Maybe try throwing it on one of the delta add-ons to make sure? I'm betting there is ton's of public information on this, but it's well hidden from public view and immediate access. Thank for the support. ---------- Post added at 11:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:01 PM ---------- Sent a simple request looking for "Fact Sheets" on the CST-100 to the Seattle Webmaster, we shall see what we get back. I didn't mention anything other than I was a student doing a research paper. Maybe someone should try it as well, but use "Press Kit" as another angle?!. I'm working on a NASA PAO, FOIA request. This takes more time to compose... If it looks good we should send it to Boeing PAO simultaneously. I could use some help looking for the CCDev Contract specs from the NASA archive.

07-14-2011, 02:55 AM	#44
ky Director of Manned Spaceflight	Quote: Originally Posted by Tacolev As for the size issue. unless I'm mistaken this thing shouldn't be that much bigger than the 4.6m shuttle payload bay. Maybe try throwing it on one of the delta add-ons to make sure? I'm going to fix the size and resend it to Diogom.

07-14-2011, 03:25 AM	#45
n0mad23 Addon Developer	This is looking like it's going to be tremendous fun! Will certainly be keeping my eyes on the progress!