2012: the death of the Internet

[Woo482]

oh never noticed that

 

[jgrillo2002]

guys, this is not that happen. why do I know this, this is because it does violate some action in the US government. I think they are only doing this for google or other major search sites. they are not getting enough advertising so that explains why the sudden fees. I mean let me get this straight. they want us to pay ONLY to the site that we have to go on and if you want more, you have to pay more. not only this is crazy but it is absolute BS the people who thought of this are really stupid to do this. that kind of commercialism will not be tolerated in the USA

 

[adamb193]

Damn Mayans.

 

[YL3GDY]

I think that nothing dangerous or terrible has happened. It someway looks like "fight with piracy". E.g., here in Latvia one ISP for some time monitored own traffic and searched for any "illegal" stuff in it (it was short after adoption of corresponding law). Some people were found who were downloading some films through BitTorrent. ISP sent them warnings. And that's all. Other ISPs didn't and don't want to do anything in this direction.

Anyway, people always have need in some free and uncontrolled virtual space. So if there is demand, there will be offer.

 

[dmc]

End of the Internet?

Update: Bell Canada and TELUS (formerly owned by Verizon) employees officially confirm that by 2012 ISP's all over the globe will reduce Internet access to a TV-like subscription model, only offering access to a small standard amount of commercial sites and require extra fees for every other site you visit.

http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2


What do yall think of this?

 

[willy88]

I already posted this:

http://www.orbiter-forum.com/showthread.php?t=2270

Quite brutal, indeed.

 

[dmc]

I thought some one would have, did a search on a few words and didnt find it so i thought i was the first. ":speakcool:"
Then you just crushed my dreams. lol

 

[Tex]

http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2


What do yall think of this?

Moderated: Thread merged with original topic here created by willy88.

 

[James.Denholm]

This is quite scary, though improbable (sorta like the fear of a monster under the bed... I still check!). If this actually happens, it may well be the end of free software, including Orbiter! *mass suicide*

 

[Urwumpe]

I think, when they can do that, they can also hold their breath for 25 minutes.

The internet is packet based, not connection based. You will always pay for the packets you send, not for the websites you visit. Most ISPs are currently not even capable of noticing, if you visit www.alquaidacanada.org or www.hotllamapr0n.com

So... no panic. Also such a business model would cost the ISPs more, than they save by reduced traffic...

 

[James.Denholm]

Thing is, Urwumple, they can install a system similar to the system that our school uses, which blocks certain websites.

All this has re-awakened the dream of making my own ISP when I grow up. Not only speeds as fast as my hardware will allow, but I'll also be a law unto myself... no-one to tell me off for torrenting and other illegal stuff (unless it's a national security thing, of course).

 

[cjp]

All this has re-awakened the dream of making my own ISP when I grow up.

Yeah, that could be the solution. Only, did you ever wonder where ISPs get their internet connection from? They get it from other ISPs, by exchanging connections (like "if you give me access to your clients, I give you access to my clients") on peering points like the Amsterdam Internet Exchange here. So, you'd need good contacts with ISPs anyway.

I don't think it will be a real problem as long as people are in control of their own computer, and if there are means of fast individual communication (like e-mail). In that case, you can always implement a package transmission system on top of the individual communication, and set up VPN-like systems. As long as there's demand, it will be used.

I've seen something like this happen with cell phones. The problem with cell phones is that people usually are not in control of what software runs on it. The cell phone market will change a lot as soon as cell phones become normal PC-compatible computers, where e.g. Linux can be installed.

 

[Urwumpe]

Thing is, Urwumple, they can install a system similar to the system that our school uses, which blocks certain websites..

Well, how effective is this system? I would estimate that around 80% of all students know how to bypass it - if not, I would not let them pass their final exams.

Also, such a system consumes a lot of power with increasing traffic. One school is simple, but now imagine ten schools...

 

[James.Denholm]

Yeah, that could be the solution. Only, did you ever wonder where ISPs get their internet connection from? They get it from other ISPs, by exchanging connections (like "if you give me access to your clients, I give you access to my clients") on peering points like the Amsterdam Internet Exchange here. So, you'd need good contacts with ISPs anyway.

Phht, that's beside the point. I'm not talking about this doomsday scenario, I'm talking about real life.

Well, how effective is this system? I would estimate that around 80% of all students know how to bypass it - if not, I would not let them pass their final exams.

Also, such a system consumes a lot of power with increasing traffic. One school is simple, but now imagine ten schools...

The system is very effective. However, the majority of students, like you guessed, know how to get around the system (like using sites like www.surfbiology.com). However, when the "techs" find out about these sites (if they looked at peoples records much they would find out fairly fast) they block them. However, I imagine a white-list system, not a black-list system.

And, again, you do have a point, there would be a traffic problem.

 

[Missioncmdr]

Thing is, Urwumple, they can install a system similar to the system that our school uses, which blocks certain websites.

My school blocks websites, too. It is hard to research anything without getting content blocked. And, on top of that, the system is pretty secure. I do not think anyone has gotten around it in a while (or maybe no one cares anymore).

 

[Urwumpe]

My school blocks websites, too. It is hard to research anything without getting content blocked. And, on top of that, the system is pretty secure. I do not think anyone has gotten around it in a while (or maybe no one cares anymore).

We had even broken the system on German Army computers which should prevent us from installing custom software (similar to a root kit). Finally, we broke it by using MS Word...

 

[doggie015]

At my school we have a system that not only blocks illiegal content, but also blocks several filetypes including .zip, .exe, .mpg, .avi, .wmv... and the sites to bypass this, as well as almost every web messanging applett and social networking sites such as Youtube and bebo.

THEY HAVE ALSO BLOCKED orbit.m6.net!

 

[spcefrk]

What's to stop people from going back to dialup modems? If broadband is fast but you can only go to certain sites, won't most sites devolve to a dialup level if most users circumvent broadband to get to the rest of the internet?

 

[James.Denholm]

Ach, going back to 56 k/bytes a second... that's going to hurt a lot.

 

[Zatnikitelman]

Doesn't matter, once the data is off the phone lines, it's no different from someone with gigabit fiber running right up to their motherboard. You still reach the same internet no matter HOW you reach it.