Discussion Jeff Bezos forsees space having the same explosive growth as the internet.

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Jeff Bezos: What the commercial space industry can learn from the Internet revolution
BY TODD BISHOP on April 12, 2016 at 2:51 pm
“If you want to see a dynamic golden age, where thousands of entrepreneurs can be doing amazing things in space, we can’t do that, because we haven’t seen that in 50 years, and the reason we haven’t seen it is because the big heavy lifting pieces are not yet in place,” Bezos said.
He continued, “I think it’s really just one big piece: we need much lower cost access to space. It’s just too expensive. Right now, only the most important applications can make their way to space because of the cost to get there. And so we’re at a certain equilibrium, and that equilibrium isn’t taking us far enough, fast enough.”
“This is Blue Origin’s mission,” he said. “Our mission is to try and put in place some of that heavy-lifting infrastructure, and make access to space much lower-cost, so that thousands of entrepreneurs can do amazing and interesting things and take us into the next era.”
“We only need two things to be able to do it: reusability, and practice.”
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Sounds like wishful thinking. But best of luck to us all.

A bit yes. There are some parallels with the situation of the early internet. But then, I doubt that creating hypes and bubbles will work with rockets.
 

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The internet is a communications network that speeds up trade and commerce, and it also has become an integral part of our personal lives as well.

Space travel is more like ocean travel, except that the ocean has things on the other side of it that make it worth traveling. There's not much of commercial value in Antarctica. How many ships travel to Antarctica? A few for tourists and scientists is all, really. Which is what we can expect from space travel in the near term.

Now if someone builds a thriving colony on another world or even in orbit that has a reason for existing besides just being cool then space travel will take off economically.

I love what SpaceX is doing technologically, but their main customers are still government agencies. Even the communications satellite business has taken a hit thanks to undersea fiber optics cables.
 

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And if the moon were made of solid gold, it would cost more to retrieve some of it than the worth of what was retrieved, using Apollo technology.

The key to retrieving riches from NEO's and other celestial objects is bring the cost of flight down to a level that makes it economical.

Like I said, best of luck to Jeff Bezos and the rest of us as well.
 

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The early internet needed certain other things to be in place to get started; massive oceanic cables and satellites, which were a huge investment at the time. (And it's still dependent on maintaining them.)

Worth remembering nobody's going anywhere without that initial very heavy initial investment.
 

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The early internet needed certain other things to be in place to get started; massive oceanic cables and satellites, which were a huge investment at the time. (And it's still dependent on maintaining them.)

Worth remembering nobody's going anywhere without that initial very heavy initial investment.


Also the basic spark of the internet was maybe HTTP + HTML, but the foundation was the public funded Arpanet, which took 30 years of massive tax payer investments to get into the state that made the internet possible.

Until 1995, the internet was only available for specialists. Yes, it only took 5 years then to the first dot com bubble.
 

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Until 1995, the internet was only available for specialists. Yes, it only took 5 years then to the first dot com bubble.

Because the business model of telecom companies changed.

You see --

Ca. 1995 in Poland the situation was that you had local ISPs which could afford to lay a city-wide fiber, but it could not afford to lay long distance fiber. So --

They were renting long-distance data transmission circuits from the telecom company (TPSA) which already had inter-city fiber. Problem was, TPSA was not in the data transmission business, but in the phone business. And, remember that voice is a low-bandwidth thing: a 2Mbps channel can carry 30 phone connections simultaneously. So TPSA had a nationwide fiber network running at 34Mbps which was more than enough for the voice business --

And when a customer (ISP, bank, whatever) came to TPSA and said that they need a dedicated 2Mbps circuit between Krakow and Kielce, then this circuit represented 1/17th of the pipe available on that route (and loss of 30 slots for very profitable long-distance phone calls). Worse yet, a virtual circuit between Krakow and Gdansk would be actually going Krakow -> Kielce -> Warsaw -> Elblag -> Gdansk, eating 1/17th of the pipe on each leg --

So TPSA would provide the inter-city virtual circuits, but would charge very high prices for them. That, of course, made the internet very expensive for the end users, as the end-user was essentially paying ISP's overhead on top of TPSA's racket price, but --

The rising demand for virtual circuits caused TPSA to replace the transmission equipment, going from 34Mbps to 622Mbps on the same fiber --

At this point, someone at TPSA saw the light and realized that since TPSA now has a ton of long-haul bandwidth available, instead of selling virtual circuits to middlemen they can simply cut them out, first by offering IP transit from existing phone exchanges (removing the need for virtual circuits), and then by installing dial-in modems on these exchages -- and charging customers by the minute --

And that of course caused the data traffic to skyrocket dramatically shifting priorities, so TPSA sort of moved from the phone business to the data transmission business, so now their main product actually is a data service with the phone service being an add-on.

So back to the subject --

The Internet revolution happened because the demand for data services on voice networks was creeping up, overloading the networks, which forced a data-centered network rebuild, but once that happened the data transmission cost has dropped dramatically, and that created a feedback loop drawing in more customers causing further drop in prices --

And the situation with space access is that we seem to be departing from the $10K/kg price point and moving down and that makes space access affordable for new customers --

And that should create a feedback loop which should further drive the costs down.

Please observe that this analysis ignores the business model of the launch customer. It assumes that, like with the internet, the increased access to the fundamental service (data transmission / space launch) will create new business models, even those that cannot be even envisaged at present --

I mean, would you imagine in 1995 that there would be people in 2015 who make their living posting prank videos on youtube? Right. So why do you assume that a viable space-based business model does not exist at lower launch prices?

Another lesson from my telecom days --

Experts usually overestimate the technology level needed to create a successful business. For example, ca. 2000 it was a common wisdom that video transmission over Internet (specifically TCP) will be problematic because of network congestion, and a lot of academic papers were written on how to deal with the problem. Then came youtube. Their solution? Just purchase big enough pipes running to their servers...
 

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Don't get me started there, it would become basementy ... or former state monopolist has been granted the right to use g.vector to provide high-speed internet to copper line customers in less than 500 meters distance to a DSLAM, at the price of Telekom getting granted exclusive access to this DSLAM (Which essentially means: No competition in this small part of the country, local unbundling as needed for allowing other providers does not work with g.vector). This allows a tiny bit more speed than possible with VDSL2, but is far far less capable than FTTH. And with g.fast, it will become even worse, 250m range for 500 MBit/s.... and a monopoly reinforced again. Also because you need FEXT capable modems on the customer side, this of course also means that the right of choosing your own DSL router is limited again, after it was freed by courts.

Right now, only the many smaller local broadband providers invest into FTTH and FTTB networks, the big ones all hope for the copper monopoly.

Lesson for space: Keep it open!
 

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Right now, only the many smaller local broadband providers invest into FTTH and FTTB networks, the big ones all hope for the copper monopoly.

The problem with telecom is that enormous CapEx required to build the network favors a natural monopoly. So you need a regulator to artificially create competition by forcing the companies to open their networks against their own interests.

There's no such problem with space access, all you need is some beach front property with sea to the east...

See also railway vs airline business model. The former favors a single company operating both trains and infrastructure, as railway traffic must be managed at the national level (timetables). The latter has multiple companies operating planes and cities building infrastructure -- because ATC can control individual planes.
 
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That comes down fast!
 

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The sounds it makes after touchdown and cutoff are awesome. Every sci fi movie sound guy dreams of that.
 
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