# ChallengeJupiter Return

#### flytandem

##### Tutorial Publisher
Tutorial Publisher
I'm curious what different solutions might come from this challenge...:thumbup:
Scenario starts with the ship just having rounded Jupiter. Goal is to return to Earth within 5 years.

Code:
BEGIN_DESC
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
System Sol
Date MJD 57652.2298464368
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
Ship 3
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
TARGET 3
MODE Cockpit
FOV 10.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_SHIPS
3:DeltaGlider
STATUS Orbiting Jupiter
RPOS 714547574.68 -84514945.57 2281499427.00
RVEL 9071.123 -554.968 9419.355
AROT 177.88 17.26 -2.02
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:0.015151 1:0.077071
NAVFREQ 0 524 84 114
XPDR 6
PSNGR 2 3 4
TRIM -0.372426
AAP 0:0 0:0 0:0
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_VistaBoost
END

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END

#### dgatsoulis

##### ele2png user
I had a lot of fun, trying to come up with different solutions for this challenge.
(Note: After the beginning of the scenario, i time-warped up to
MJD 58096.944 and there, i made a 6.7 m/s correction that gets me to Mars on MJD 58273.4543. All the solutions that i will present in this thread, start from that point. The deadline is MJD 59478.23)

Solution No1:
The idea is this: Aerosling on Mars and find a solution that gets you to directly to Earth with the lowest Enc.Vel. (Within the time frame). This can be done with these parameters in TransX: Stage1: Target Mars -> Stage2: Escape -> Stage3: Target Earth -> Stage4: View: Encounter.
At Stage3: Variables: Orbits to Icept: 1.0
Outward Angle = -89.8748', Inc. Angle = -5.0872'
The Pe/Pl ratio is 0.4206, which is rather easy to achieve in an aerosling. (If there is such a thing as an "easy" aerosling).
I like to think of this solution as simple and elegant. (and kind of boring... )
After the aerosling, you coast around the sun once and then you arrive at Earth about 43 days before the deadline, with a low Encounter Velocity. Even if you slightly mess up the aerosling, you still have more than 870m/s dV, left in the DG to correct your mistakes.
Here is the scenario with the plan:
(One thing to remember, in case that in stage 3 the Orbits to Icept variable has dropped to 0.0, go and raise it to 1.0).

Code:
BEGIN_DESC
Contains the latest simulation state.
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
System Sol
Date MJD 58096.9656287816
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
Ship 3
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
TARGET 3
MODE Cockpit
FOV 10.00
END_CAMERA

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FNumber 3
Int 0
Orbit True
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Handle Sun
Handle NULL
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Plan
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Plan
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Outward vel.
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Intercept with
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Finvars
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Plan
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Plan
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Man. date
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Outward vel.
0  0
Ch. plane vel.
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Intercept with
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Orbits to Icept
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View Orbit
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Finvars
Finish BaseFunction
Int 3
Orbit True
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Vector  25804.6482849 213.77359915 15560.7328701
Double  1.32712482783e+020
Double  58273.4527117
Handle Sun
Handle Mars
Handle Earth
Select Target
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Autoplan
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0 2
Plan
0 0
Plan
0 0
Plan
0 2
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Outward vel.
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Ch. plane vel.
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Intercept with
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Orbits to Icept
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Outward angle
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Inc. angle
3  -0.0887883897075
Inherit Vel.
0 0
Eject date
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Finvars
Finish BaseFunction
END_MFD

BEGIN_MFD Right
TYPE Orbit
PROJ Frame
FRAME Ecliptic
REF Jupiter
END_MFD

BEGIN_SHIPS
3:DeltaGlider
STATUS Orbiting Sun
RPOS -351719408747.49 2561216014.43 -269480856725.96
RVEL 19016.376 -502.877 -2775.994
AROT -68.90 66.67 96.14
RCSMODE 2
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:0.015009 1:0.074828
NAVFREQ 0 524 84 114
XPDR 6
PSNGR 2 3 4
TRIM -0.372426
AAP 0:0 0:0 0:0
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END

If you don't know how to make an aerosling, you can find an excellent tutorial on flytandem's page here.
The idea is that you dip inside a planet's atmosphere. to lower the energy of your orbit, and then you get out of it, just in time to go ahead with the rest of your plan.
Easy? No!
But, was it easy to dock with the ISS?

Have fun, happy orbiting!

#### flytandem

##### Tutorial Publisher
Tutorial Publisher
(snip) (and kind of boring... ) (snip)
LOL. I know you are just kidding about aeroslings being boring. But I really am amazed by your skills.
BTW... this flight was the final stretch of one that left this week that went from Earth around Venus 2 times, then Earth then to Jupiter, then back. It had the aerosling planned at Mars from the start but I thought it a fun challenge to supply just a bit less than enough to go directly back to Earth after rounding Jup. I know, a teaser. I didn't check other solutions,... but your PM mentioned several other possibilities. Amazing work DG. Delightful. But not surprising. I am rarely surprised by what options exist. Seek and ye shall find.

#### dgatsoulis

##### ele2png user
Solution No2:
This time: Aerosling on Mars and get to Earth.Fast.
Here is how:
TransX: Stage1: Target Mars -> Stage2: Escape -> Stage3: Target Earth -> Stage4: View: Encounter.
At Stage3: Variables: Orbits to Icept: 0.0, Outward Angle = -120.6029', Inc. Angle = -5.3072'
The Pe/Pl ratio is 0.1144, which makes sense, since we want to lose more energy, we'll have to dive deeper in the Martian atmosphere and stay there longer.
Arrival at Earth on MJD 58322.9
Here is the scenario with the plan:
Code:
BEGIN_DESC
Contains the latest simulation state.
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
System Sol
Date MJD 58096.9495473660
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
Ship 3
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
TARGET 3
MODE Cockpit
FOV 10.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_MFD Left
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MODE TransX
Ship  3
FNumber 4
Int 0
Orbit True
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Vector  19015.6522122 -502.819002522 -2776.27115205
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Plan
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Plan
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Plan
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Man. date
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Ch. plane vel.
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Intercept with
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Finvars
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Vector  2395.81297005 231.853953649 12304.6219245
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Double  58267.6905357
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Plan
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Plan
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0 0
View Orbit
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Finvars
Finish BaseFunction
Int 3
Orbit True
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Vector  25692.3924958 -54.9222783196 15579.3584283
Double  1.32712482783e+020
Double  58273.4474281
Handle Sun
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Handle Earth
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Plan
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Plan
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Plan
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0  0
Man. date
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Orbits to Icept
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Outward angle
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Inc. angle
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Inherit Vel.
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Finvars
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Handle Earth
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Plan
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Man. date
0  58096.944561
Outward vel.
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Ch. plane vel.
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Intercept with
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Finvars
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END_MFD

BEGIN_SHIPS
3:DeltaGlider
STATUS Orbiting Sun
RPOS -351745830083.90 2561914770.77 -269476999147.74
RVEL 19015.652 -502.819 -2776.271
AROT -68.90 66.67 96.14
RCSMODE 2
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:0.015009 1:0.074932
NAVFREQ 0 524 84 114
XPDR 6
PSNGR 2 3 4
TRIM -0.372426
AAP 0:0 0:0 0:0
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END

At this point you can try a couple of different variations of the first and the second plan. If you switch Orbits to Icept variable to 0.5 and tweak the Ej. Orientation and Inc.Angle a bit, you get at least two succesful plans that get you to Earth. The main idea is the same. Aerosling on Mars -> Earth.

Now, lets get to the interesting stuff.
Why make just one aerosling maneuver, when you can make two?
The plan goes like this: Stage1: Target Mars -> Stage2: Escape (aerosling) -> Stage3: Target Venus -> Stage4: Escape (aerosling) -> Stage5: Target Earth -> Stage 6: View: Encounter.

You will see the details of this plan in the scenario below. Here are some interesting facts:
The Pe/Pl ratio of the first aerosling on Mars is 0.02338! :blink:
You'll have to lose a lot of energy at this dive.
On Venus, things are a bit easier (Venus aerosling Pe/Pl ratio is 0.8286),still this is going to be a hard maneuver.

DISCLAIMER: I've never tried an aerosling with a Pe/Pl ratio lower than 0.1, so i don't know if it's possible. In principle, it should work. This will definitely be a fun scenario to try out.

Here is the scenario, with the plan:
Code:
BEGIN_DESC
Contains the latest simulation state.
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
System Sol
Date MJD 58096.9603344315
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
Ship 3
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
TARGET 3
MODE Cockpit
FOV 10.00
END_CAMERA

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MODE TransX
Ship  3
FNumber 6
Int 0
Orbit True
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Vector  19016.1550356 -502.784459067 -2775.98725935
Double  1.32712439955e+020
Double  58096.9603339
Handle Sun
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Autoplan
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Plan
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Plan
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Plan
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Intercept with
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Finvars
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Int 4
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Plan
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Plan
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PROJ Frame
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BEGIN_SHIPS
3:DeltaGlider
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RVEL 19016.155 -502.784 -2775.987
AROT -68.90 66.67 96.14
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NAVFREQ 0 524 84 114
XPDR 6
PSNGR 2 3 4
TRIM -0.372426
AAP 0:0 0:0 0:0
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END

On the next post, i hope to present to you a little game of cosmic pinball. I haven't worked out the plan exactly yet, but i know that i want it to be a 9~10 stage one.

(This is what i meant when i said that the first solution was "boring" :lol

Unfortunately, i won't have a lot of time for Orbiter this weekend 'cause of work. I hope i can at least try out the double aerosling plan, to see if it can be done.

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