Shenzhou 7 a wind-up?

[Max Pain]

@ Urwumpe and Artlav:
Watch the bubble video at 5:49. IMO it looks like a bubble at the first moment. After watching it again I would say it is a piece of debris reflecting in the helmet. Nevertheless, if you don t look carefully you could believe it is a bubble.

 

[Urwumpe]

@ Urwumpe and Artlav:
Watch the bubble video at 5:49. IMO it looks like a bubble at the first moment. After watching it again I would say it is a piece of debris reflecting in the helmet. Nevertheless, if you don t look carefully you could believe it is a bubble.

Yes, but also look at the last video I posted, and you will see, how many small pieces of debris (actually, at least one of those looks like an empty food bag) are blown out of the capsule, most likely because the pressure inside the capsule was not fully lowered - or not lowered at all, I can't tell for sure.

105 kPa static pressure inside the capsule are converted into 105 kPa dynamic pressure when vented outside - this would result in 403 m/s velocity of the air...

In the ISS Quest Airlock, the air is pumped into storage tanks, until it is 15% of the normal pressure, and the final 15% are then vented outside over a valve.

 

[Jimbo195]

Please don't think that I'm supporting some conspiracy or something. I'm not. I want to believe this one, I really do. But I can't, yet, until reasonable discussion concludes.

The Chinese need something to be proud of. Look at there recent history: the Japanese Invasion, all of Mao's movements that killed millions, the Tiananmen square massacre, the persecution of Falun Gong (1999-present) and western companies turning the nation into a sweatshop. Now everyone is losing their meagre jobs due to the world economic problem.

Sorry, but this is not even close to evidence. It is a badly made youtube conspiracy video.

I agree that it is badly made, so is the other one, which has even more evidence (see below), including what look like racks of lighting reflected on the astronauts shiny equipment. Anyway not all of us profess to be Steven Spielberg!

"But this is not even close to evidence."

The evidence in both videos comes from the original footage that was broadcast on Chinese Communist Party (CCP) TV, that you posted.

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OK, so you admit that the article is a misrepresentation?

No I didn't/don't admit that the article is a misrepresentation. I have explained why Qu Zheng became Zheng Qu. This was either the paper's editorial policy or an error by the editor. Besides, it doesn't effect the words below!

The research of the real Qu Zheng/Zheng Qu is about Earth sciences, not astronautics.

Firstly, I fail to see that there is a fake Qu Zheng. Secondly, about his specialist field, we have no proof that he knows nothing about astronautics, or that he was never involved with astronautics. Having worked at JPL, it's more likely that he does have the knowledge required.

Anyway, aren't we attacking the messenger and not the message? Can we forget Dr. Qu? I think this issue is almost, if not fully cleared-up.

As described earlier in this thread, there are also other explanations possible.

I totally agree! But it needs to be thorough, and answering ALL questions and refuting all anomalies presented as evidence that the space walk was staged.

His claims about the Kibo installation are not right.

I often here some background noise in all transmissions from both ends. Whatever I watch. Also of note (regardless of background noise), is the incredible clarity of the Shenzhou Astronauts, with NASA transmissions sounding like telephone calls or worse. Now I agree that the truth of this point will probably be impossible to prove or disprove. But we remember that the CCP published the transcript of radio comms before launch. See :http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/25/asia/AS-China-Space-Oops.php

The video you posted cannot be sighted as evidence, as the background sounds had been replace with music.

Also worth checking out is this:

Reporter: Is it because Chinese experts have solved the problem of background noise in the spacecraft? Qu Zheng: No. An article titled “Experts Talk: Noise—Astronauts’ Fatal Killer” (http://news.eastday.com/eastday/node81741/node81762/node92975/userobject1ai1545460.html) quoted Yu Xuejun, research director of China’s Astronaut Center Environmental Media Research Office. He said, “A couple hundred machines are working nonstop on the Shenzhou VI Spacecraft, so astronauts have to suffer with the noise.” The Shenzhou VI Spacecraft can maintain a noise level of around 70 decibels during its flight in orbit, which is equivalent to the noise on a busy highway.

Sina.com also published an article on September 6, 2008 titled “Shenzhou VII Spacecraft Astronaut Are Equipped With Protective Earplugs.” (http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2008-09-26/194216364953.shtml). The article described how dealing with noise interference and protecting the astronauts’ personal safety is a challenge for space agencies around the world. In order to protect against this loud noise, China’s Astronauts Training Center equipped three astronauts with special protective earplugs to reduce the noise. The same earplugs were used on the Shenzhou V and Shenzhou VI Spacecrafts.

Also, notice the lacking atmosphere of Earth in the video. The contrast of the video camera is obviously again not capable of showing the small border.

We see earth's atmosphere is visible in the video you posted. Sometimes we may need to freeze frame and look hard. But it's there. It's not in the chinese version. I will do some photoshop work to further research this.

Agreed. I just love these "experts" who want to wrap a conspiracy around everything...... They never listen to rational explanations because they are too busy getting their book and DVD sales going.

Dr. Qu is not publishing a book on the subject of Shenzhou 7, and has not spoken public since the article. I cannot find anything more of him. He hasn't even made a film about it yet. If he was going to, he would have done so by now.

The quote above, beginning; "Agreed. I just love..." Seems to be an ad hominem attack. Read and think, not assume.

Thank you

 

[Urwumpe]

Firstly, I fail to see that there is a fake Qu Zheng. Secondly, about his specialist field, we have no proof that he knows nothing about astronautics, or that he was never involved with astronautics. Having worked at JPL, it's more likely that he does have the knowledge required.

Anyway, aren't we attacking the messenger and not the message? Can we forget Dr. Qu? I think this issue is almost, if not fully cleared-up.

I fail to see how somebody, who has an academic education and an Earth sciences background, commits errors in exactly this academic background, which would not even be tolerated if done by students.

And if you write "This is said by an expert on the topic" as journalist, you argue by authority. So, it is a normal approach to verify this authority. Did he really say that?

The alleged expert does not use even something close to the scientific method. He relies on assumptions, circular arguments ("China has faked once something in the media, they will do it again") and argument by ignorance.

The alleged expert assumes from the start, that China did fake the EVA. From this point on, he ignores all evidence, which does not fit into the scheme, but instead fills the created gaps with Aristotelean logic (Aristotle deducted by logic, that women have less teeth than men. He did not put his theory on the test and count the teeth)

And you do the same, BTW. You also just argue from the point "China is not able to do an EVA, but able to fake it so good, that real experts are fooled, but not some bloggers and half-time journalists".

Remember the important rule: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

What you use is not evidence. You use argument by ignorance. You don't understand what you see, or if you understand it, ignore this understanding. You see a typical EVA, with typical space phenomena, and you claim, people have to see something, which is NOT visible in the video.

For example the bubble: If you look at the object passing in front of the bright Earth, you will notice it has a flat triangular shape. Also, your theory does not explain the movement of objects being blown out of the capsule when opening the hatch in my video.

 

[Ark]

Lets not forget we're talking about the same people that had a cuter girl lip-sync to previously recorded audio during the Olympics because the actual singer was deemed to be too ugly for TV. :rofl:

 

[dougkeenan]

#1, The claim is these alleged problems "involve simple physics" yet orbital operations do not involve simple physics. Not to mention we've seen no objectionable physics, simple or otherwise, in any case that I recall.

#2, Until there's definitive evidence why waste teacher's precious time? Don't you people have any addons that need work?

 

[garyw]

The maker of the video proves his or her ignorance with a slip up of their own. When talking about the alleged "bubble" they have the text "How is this possible in zero gravity?" - Astronaunts, Taikonaunts and Cosmonaunts are NOT in zero gravity. They are in MICRO gravity.

The person who made the video clearly does not understand the topic of which they are denouncing.

 

[Zatnikitelman]

The maker of the video proves his or her ignorance with a slip up of their own. When talking about the alleged "bubble" they have the text "How is this possible in zero gravity?" - Astronaunts, Taikonaunts and Cosmonaunts are NOT in zero gravity. They are in MICRO gravity.

The person who made the video clearly does not understand the topic of which they are denouncing.

But the gravity felt by everything is low enough that it might as well be 0 gravity. Except for extremely precise experiments (GOCE probably) and for the equations, it really doesn't matter.

 

[Urwumpe]

But the gravity felt by everything is low enough that it might as well be 0 gravity. Except for extremely precise experiments (GOCE probably) and for the equations, it really doesn't matter.

Not really. In the ISS, you can actually have measurable and visible accelerations, away from the CoG of the station.

But the fact is, that the correct scientific term is Microgravity, it pays out to be accurate.

But more important is, that the object is not moving by buoyancy and not by gravity. It keeps a constant velocity from the impact on the helmet on.

 

[garyw]

To clarify - My comment is simply that if someone which to cry FAKE about a space walk they really should get their own facts otherwise they look very silly.

 

[Suzy]

Astronaut Leroy Chiao's opinion on his blog

 

[Moonwalker]

Yes, of course, the Chinese space walk was faked. Just like the Apollo missions and the Japanese Selene lunar missions, and of course even all the unmanned Mars landings. The coffin of Elvis Presley was empty, Adolf Hitler fled to South America and the holocaust did not happen less then ever. The US government attacked the WTC on 9/11 by using masked missiles (or wasn't it those damn Jews?), and all those strange contrails on the sky today are chemtrails in reality, which poison the whole mankind.

Did I miss anything? What's next?

 

[Jarvitä]

Yes, of course, the Chinese space walk was faked. Just like the Apollo missions and the Japanese Selene lunar missions, and of course even all the unmanned Mars landings. The coffin of Elvis Presley was empty, Adolf Hitler fled to South America and the holocaust did not happen less then ever. The US government attacked the WTC on 9/11 by using masked missiles (or wasn't it those damn Jews?), and all those strange contrails on the sky today are chemtrails in reality, which poison the whole mankind.

Did I miss anything? What's next?

You forgot the aliens and the lizard people working with the freemasons/illuminati to establish a new world order. Also, Obama is the antichrist.

 

[dougkeenan]

"Ares will take us back to the moon."