Russia to Approve New Moon Rocket

Let the race begin!
 
And, by the way, is anything in range of 25 tonnes payload is supposed to be called a Lunar rocket?..
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If you are one of those that thinks a Moon or even Mars mission can be constructed in LEO from a large number of launches, sure.


Bigger is better.
 
Notebook said:
More of the same?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7980824.stm

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Among some bogus information, this is a message about an actual proceeding that's going within Roscosmos. I would wait more till they publish the official decisions before starting any discussion.

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BTW, its (her?) solar arrays look a bit undersized anyway.

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A speculative picture of the topical Rus' rocket's design proposed by Samara Space Centre to be the new manned vehicle's carrier, drawn according to the known specs:

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An interesting image, why the large anular structure, and the small engine bell?

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Cool, maybe this will get Constellation off the ground faster. :)
 
Notebook said:
An interesting image, why the large anular structure, and the small engine bell?

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The engine bell size should be standard for RD-180 engine, however, I'm not sure which structure you are curoius about. Don't forget, that's not an official image, but rather a speculation over known specs.
 
SiberianTiger said:
The engine bell size should be standard for RD-180 engine, however, I'm not sure which structure you are curoius about. Don't forget, that's not an official image, but rather a speculation over known specs.
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The part between the engine bell, and the arrays/radiators. Could be fuel tamks?

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Detachable? Is it added in Earth orbit before Lunar insertion?

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Oh yeah, Russia - a new Moon rocket, India - a new Moon rocket, China - a new Moon rocket. I can't count anymore how much moon rockets they already have sent to the Moon within the last years...

None of these nations is going to fly to the Moon manned anytime soon, which means at least not within the next 10 to 15 years. If at all, we are going to see the USA returning to the Moon until the mid 2020's. It's the only agency which is seriously going to do so.
 
Moonwalker said:
If at all, we are going to see the USA returning to the Moon until the mid 2020's. It's the only agency which is seriously going to do so.
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Don't forget ESA. While ESA are "just" the second biggest spaceflight agency in the world, and usually suffering from lack of initiative, I think honestly, that ESA could do it too. We have all that is needed - except the will to really do it.

Still, we currently only have 30% of the NASA budget. If just concentrating on the spaceflight part of the NASA budget, it should be possible for Europe to exceed the funding. If the will would be there.
 
Urwumpe said:
Don't forget ESA. While ESA are "just" the second biggest spaceflight agency in the world, and usually suffering from lack of initiative, I think honestly, that ESA could do it too. We have all that is needed - except the will to really do it.

Still, we currently only have 30% of the NASA budget. If just concentrating on the spaceflight part of the NASA budget, it should be possible for Europe to exceed the funding. If the will would be there.
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Yes, with all of what is going on at ESA (ATV, Soyuz launches at Kourou and much more) I'm confident that ESA endeed could go to the Moon or at least go into space manned on its own for now, which I think is in the making anyway. Many voices call for that almost like never before.

Europe is no small competitor anymore in many cases. We already produce not only the biggest, but also the most modern/complex and most safest passenger airplanes (if we look at the international safety rate, the A320 family is the safest while the A318, A319 and A321 had no single incident with personal injury until today, which is more than one decade). And don't forget Concorde. Europe still has much more potentials than many people might think, if yes, there would be just more will.

But anyway, I'm in favour for an international alliance of space agencies to go to the Moon and Mars manned in a big and reliable project, almost like we work on the ISS. What I see at the moment is that manned Moon and Mars proposals obviously are way too big to be done just by one nation. Constellation might find almost the same end Apollo did, once again with no single step towards Mars and a cut Moon program after just a few missions...
 
Moonwalker said:
But anyway, I'm in favour for an international alliance of space agencies to go to the Moon and Mars manned in a big and reliable project, almost like we work on the ISS. What I see at the moment is that manned Moon and Mars proposals obviously are way too big to be done just by one nation. Constellation might find almost the same end Apollo did, once again with no single step towards Mars and a cut Moon program after just a few missions...
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Of course. But such an alliance between NASA and ESA would not work. ESA would end as junior partner, and not get taken serious, even if they would finance the bigger part of the show.

ESA and Russia could work better, but this would require from Russia's politician a tiny bit more of respect towards ESA. While the Russian engineers and spaceflight experts are extremely good friends with their ESA counterparts, the politicians are more tied into the past.

ESA and JAXA would also work well - both are pretty much on equal level in terms of technology and experience.

ESA and CSA would be harder, because CSA is pretty much integrated into NASAs programs.

And I now ignore China intentionally. China will be hard to get integrated into a cooperation now.

My political estimate is: The first landing of the second season has to be a single organization effort. The following programs, with lunar bases and stuff, can easily be made international programs, when the nationalist ballast is gone.
 
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