TransX Grand Tour: Execution

Kaito

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Recently, i've been fantasizing about sending the Apollo CSM on a grand tour, like voyager. But before I do that, I first have to actually figure out the Grand tour setup. TO THE INTERNET!

*30 minutes later*

The transX tutorials on youtube have allowed me to setup the voyager trip. It's all setup, and I use the tutorial on "Earth to mars" to actually launch into orbit with an R. Inc of 0.002. TIME TO LAUNC...wait....

In "Earth to mars", flytandem sets up the plan, launches into orbit...then sets up the maneuver. So, he does the setup twice. I went through the setup on the ground, launched into orbit..and when I try to setup the maneuver..i hit a road block.

I can get to jupiter just fine, but when I try to setup my slingshot around it (get the green line to match the dashed yellow line), it's slow, and the yellow line jumps around. Plus, when I get it "close enough", and move to Saturn...i cant change any of it's parameters without changing the entire plan.

In summary:
After I setup my plan of the grand tour according to the TransX tutorial: Voyager 2 setup, how do I execute the burn once in orbit?

Thanks in advance,
~Kaito
 

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Nice work.

Yes I do the setup "twice" meaning the plan,... then a maneuver for the actual burn. And this is for large eject burns like going from Earth to Mars or Earth to Juipter. The reason is that the basic PLAN to eject to Jupiter gets you into a nice orbit at about the right time give or take an hour. But TransX doesn't have a very accurate direction for the burn. But the maneuver mode in TransX has that nice target to point the ship for the burn, plus it will be using a date that exactly matches that of the burn.

Doing lesser magnitude burns like leaving moon for Earth can easily be done just using the plan and aim prograde and start the burn when it says to.

And yes you are right that the plan is constantly needing to be being updated as you go. The initial plan assumed a specific date and speed of arrival at Jupiter. But depending on how things progressed and how to conducted the MCCs your arrival date and speed are not exactly on that initial plan so you must tweak the remaining part of the plan to reflect these changes.
 

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I think you misunderstood my problem...

I can do the setup while im on the ground just fine, but when I turn maneuver mode on, and start trying to actually do the grand tour setup...thats where i'm stuck. I can arrive at jupiter, but I cant setup the slingshots for the other planets
 

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I think it would be best if you post a scenario of the point where you are having trouble. I would be happy to look at it to see where you are and what would be the next step.
 

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This is where I am now: LEO, I should be in plane for the Trans-Jupiter injection. Thank you for all the help :)
 

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Your scenario is very good. You have the eject maneuver set up and the plan removed.
You are a bit off-plane for the first arrival at Jupiter which means probably a MCC of 50 or more m/s when half way there. But that's not a problem. I played around with trying to get a better eject burn to reduce the amount the Jupiter arrival is off but I suggest that it would be more fuel to fix it during the eject burn than with a MCC.

Re-adjusting the sling angles (outward and inclination) will have to be tweaked a bit but that is always part of flying these multiple sling trajectories.

I have flown your scenario and done the eject burn as you have it set up. Then I flew about half way to Jupiter and set up the maneuver but not burned it yet. Here is the scenario of where I am ... (note that I also readjusted the sling angles of the Jup-Sat, Sat-Ura, and Ura-Nep legs.)

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I'm digging up this old thread because it fits to my problem of setting up the eject burn for my Earth-Jupiter-Saturn scenario.

The TransX plan is sufficiently accurate for my needs and I'm in a parking orbit with a relative inclination of less than 1 for the ejection burn.
I enter a maneuver in stage 1 and reset the variables in stage 2. Now I have to tune the maneuver in stage 1 to be on track for the Jupiter slingshot in stage 3 again but everytime I change something in the maneuver, the R. Inc and Pe Ratio in stage 3 jump wildly for a couple of seconds until the result of the change is finally displayed.

Is there a setting that can be changed to prevent this behaviour of TransX or do you have to live with that? It makes finalizing the maneuver very tedious or maybe I am doing something wrong?

In case its needed, this is the scenario before adding the maneuver:
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And this is the scenario after I added the maneuver (and did some fine-tuning of stage 4 again):
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  AROT -48.42 -71.12 85.02
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.553000 1:0.900000
  NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0
  XPDR 0
  AAP 0:0 0:0 0:0
END
END_SHIPS

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The TransX plan is sufficiently accurate for my needs and I'm in a parking orbit with a relative inclination of less than 1 for the ejection burn.

Your parking orbit is really good, with a very low R.Inc relative to the planned trajectory (much less than "1", actually - closer to less than 0.01).
The problem is the date.
Why are you in the parking orbit 3.67 days earlier than the planned date?

Code:
BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD [B]50548.0109487363[/B]
END_ENVIRONMENT
...
Prograde vel.
 5  8876.90345886
Eject date
 3  [B]50551.68311[/B]
Outward vel.
 3  -945.535009744
Ch. plane vel.
 4  2906.64830929
...
BEGIN_SHIPS
GL-01:DeltaGlider
  STATUS [B]Orbiting Earth[/B]
...

To put this in perspective, this is what's going on.
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The main reason that it is very difficult for your maneuver to match the planned trajectory, is this time difference. If you where much closer to the planned eject date, things would be much easier.

Once you have the date fixed, it would be better to take the time and adjust the eject plan's parameters, in order to get the approach to Jupiter as close as you can to the slingshot trajectory. (R.Inc < 0.01, Pe/Pl ratio =1)

If you have those set up properly, you will find that when you enter the maneuver, your actual trajectory will be much closer to the plan and will require a minimum amount of tweaking (and MCCs later on).

I enter a maneuver in stage 1 and reset the variables in stage 2. Now I have to tune the maneuver in stage 1 to be on track for the Jupiter slingshot in stage 3 again but everytime I change something in the maneuver, the R. Inc and Pe Ratio in stage 3 jump wildly for a couple of seconds until the result of the change is finally displayed.

A couple of seconds sounds like a lot. Yes there is some "jumping around" until TransX recalculates the trajectory for every change you make in the burn, but it is a lot faster than two seconds. What is your MFD refresh rate?
(Orbiter launchpad→Parameters→MFD refresh [sec])
The default is 1 second but that's too slow. If you haven't already, set it to a value of 0.1 secs or less. -I have it at 0.05 secs and have noticed very little impact on my frame rate.

Is there a setting that can be changed to prevent this behaviour of TransX or do you have to live with that? It makes finalizing the maneuver very tedious or maybe I am doing something wrong?

Changing the burn parameters of a maneuver forces TransX to recalculate the trajectory of the spacecraft for all the stages of the plan. The change in the MFD refresh rate should help with the time it takes to see those changes on your trajectory.

Thanks for posting the scenarios. It made it very easy to try and find what the problem was.
 
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Thanks for posting the scenarios. It made it very easy to try and find what the problem was.
Thank you for taking time to look at them and writing this elaborate answer!

Your parking orbit is really good, with a very low R.Inc relative to the planned trajectory (much less than "1", actually - closer to less than 0.01).
I used the scenario editor for that because I specifically wanted to try this method for the ejection burn.

The problem is the date.
Why are you in the parking orbit 3.67 days earlier than the planned date?
I'm not sure. I used Arrowstar's trajectory optimisation tool to find the general launch window and then altered the date in the scenario editor to a couple of hours or days before the calculated departure date to have sufficient time to plan the flight in TransX...
But even without the maneuver in stage 1 the ejection view tells me only about 1.7k seconds until the burn should be started.

What is your MFD refresh rate?
It was the default setting, I changed it to 0.1 s now and it is much better now.

In the meantime, I tried to do the ejection burn without a maneuver. I've seen this in one of blixel's videos for a Mars-Earth-Venus flight and didn't even know it could be done like that. It worked surprisingly well. I'm flying past Jupiter in this scenario at the moment and I had to do a MCC of roughly 460 m/s halfway to Jupiter and probably will have to do a similar MCC once I left Jupiter's SOI again.
460 m/s is no problem for the Deltaglider but with a more limited near-tech addon it likely is too much of a corretion - hopefully I can reduce that with the maneuver powered ejection burn.
 

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I'm not sure. I used Arrowstar's trajectory optimisation tool to find the general launch window and then altered the date in the scenario editor to a couple of hours or days before the calculated departure date to have sufficient time to plan the flight in TransX...
But even without the maneuver in stage 1 the ejection view tells me only about 1.7k seconds until the burn should be started.

And after you pass the point of the burn (T. to Pe = 0) you get another ~5.3k seconds until you reach it again. It doesn't matter if you had set the date 1 century before the plan, Stage1 will only tell you when the spacecraft is near the point of the burn. It is your job to get there on the correct date.

Here is how the logic works.

In stage 2 you "say" to TransX that: "On this* date I am going to leave from Earth with this hyperbolic excess velocity (which brakes down into this much Prograde, Pl.Change, and Outward).

*this = the value you enter

TransX "replies" by telling you how close to your target you are going to get (Cl.Approach), when that's going to happen (Enc. MJD) and what your velocity relative to your target is going to be at arrival (Enc.Vel.)

TransX's job: To take the parameters you entered in Stage2 and create the hypothetical escape trajectory in Stage1.

Your job: To get into a parking orbit coplanar with the escape trajectory and arrive at the burn point as close to the date you entered on Stage2 as possible.

Does that mean that if you "miss" the window by a day or two (either before or after), you have lost the chance to get to your target? Of course not, launch windows last for days or even weeks.
But a different date means that you need a slightly different transfer trajectory on Stage2 to reach your target. If you keep all the parameters the same and simply change the date, you will see that you will miss your target by several million kilometers. So if you change the date, you also need to change the rest of the parameters in order to get a minimum Cl. Approach.
In turn that means that you will need a slightly different parking orbit, that's why it is better to get into the parking orbit as close as you can to the date you "said you would" in Stage2.

"So why do all the tutorials say to set the date ~1 day before?" (you may ask).

Depending on where you are landed on Earth, you will most probably get 2 chances per day to launch into a 90° heading and get into a parking orbit coplanar to the hypothetical trajectory. Combined with a low lattitude, this can save up to ~0.4 km/s of DeltaV for the launch. This is why you get that "one day before" advise from the tutorials. To give the planet time to rotate your launch site into the correct position for an Eastward launch.

If you are using the editor to get into the parking orbit you have no such restriction. Setting up the date ~90 min (1 orbit) before the Eject burn, will give you all the time you need to setup the burn and will be as close as possible to the Eject date of Stage2.

About the corrections: I honestly can't remember the magnitude of my MCCs when I was a newbie at TransX but I bet they were larger than ~0.5 km/s.
Nowadays, if I make a journey to Mars that uses more than 5 m/s in corrections (yes, five meters per second) I consider it a failure. With time and practise you will improve your skills by a lot.
 
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