Hawking answers cosmic question: 'Are we alone?'

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GOOOOO DR. HAWKING!!! Finally, someone with some "pull" in the scientific community is telling us to quit faffing about on this pathetic little rock and go out and explore!
 

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I just saw his lecture on C-SPAN (Los Angeles/Ch 33/8am) and it was pretty cool... also pretty basic, as most of the info he shared would be what most of us already know.
Basically he presented a big push for us to take Science more seriously and how we can be doing a lot more to explore the local new worlds for us to access. It's amazing to see the guy, in all of his disabled ALS glory ...as excited in space as he is. (He seemed a little tired by the end of his lecture, though.)
 

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I can believe that worlds with only microbes will be much more common than worlds with advanced life. After all, Earth had only microbes for more than two billion years before multi-cellular creatures started appearing around six or seven hundred million years ago.

Likewise, worlds with only animals and plants, but no people, will probably be hundreds of times more common than worlds with any kind of civilization. Homonids in general have only been around for a hundredth of the time that complex animals have been around, and only during the last 300,000 years did we even invent SPOKEN LANGUAGE. Also, given the shortness of our history as civilized beings, it's more likely than not that any race that we do meet will either be hunter-gatherers or else so far ahead of us that their technology is "indistinguishable from magic" to us.
 

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Hunter gatherers, tech indistiguishable from magic

You do realize that those two things are favorites in science fiction stories right? Finding other type E planets with humanlike creatures on them?
 

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GOOOOO DR. HAWKING!!! Finally, someone with some "pull" in the scientific community is telling us to quit faffing about on this pathetic little rock and go out and explore!
Hawking doesn't really have any pull in the scientific community anymore. He hasn't produced any decent research in about 20 years and for obvious reasons, doesn't do many lectures or teaching.
 

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Hawking doesn't really have any pull in the scientific community anymore. He hasn't produced any decent research in about 20 years and for obvious reasons, doesn't do many lectures or teaching.

Then again the scientific community is (usaly) not the one hindering the explorational efforts. The mighty politicians are, who are more than happy to divert a very small share of the money to something the public really wants.
And in the public Steven Hawking is today the most recognized scientist all over the planet.

Hail Probe
 

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And in the public Steven Hawking is today the most recognized scientist all over the planet.

Unfortunately, to the public, Stephen Hawking is the most recognised scientist because he's "that guy in the wheelchair that uses a computer to talk". The vast majority of Joe Public wouldn't have a clue what research Hawking has ever done.
 

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Unfortunately, to the public, Stephen Hawking is the most recognised scientist because he's "that guy in the wheelchair that uses a computer to talk". The vast majority of Joe Public wouldn't have a clue what research Hawking has ever done.

Or even understand how playing Poker in a Star Trek episode improved their lifes. Science does not work like that. Sometimes, the most useless idea, does become the solution for the most important problem... you don't know how important it is until you need it.

Look at the technology which allowed high capacity hard discs by higher data density - Lauded, Nobel appointed, and now already obsolete, because solid state discs are taking course to overtake the magnetic memory technology.
 

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I'm more fond of Neil deGrasse Tyson: http://research.amnh.org/~tyson/index.php he keeps his feet planted firmly in reality keeping an ear to the wild dreams. He gave a great speech I read recently about why we shouldn't be enshrining Apollo that we ought to look back at Apollo like we do Mercury and Gemini as an important stepping stone and little else. Check it out; He makes several great points: http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1160/1

http://research.amnh.org/users/tyson/movies/GoddardMemorialDinner2005.mpg is great too. Particularly if you jump to "Double NASA's Budget"
 

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In the past science told us that there were 3 states of matter. Now we have about 6 and plasma being the most abundant in the universe.
Einstein firmly believed that univers always existed as it is now, but his theory did not say that.
So I wonder if everything we believe now is true.
What if not?

I had a scifi idea... Mankind was capable of space travelling in the distant past, during prehistory, but all traces of such great civilization were lost when Alexandria library was burned.

Mankind sent a mission to moon and mars and found strange remnants of past travels (like a prehistoric Apollo) and they believe they found aliens. But they only found the remnants of past trips of humanity. Microorganisms are found to be similar that those on Earth so scientists start to believe we came from that planet and aliens brought us here, while indeed those prehistoric trips exported them from Earth.

After the sinking of Atlantis (where all launch sites were located) space trips were over. Humanity in space got isolated from Earth and they developed their own technology, until they designed UFOs. So UFOs are the descendants of humans from past exploration of solar system. Atlantis existence was secret, and Plato leaked it from government files, and he was discredited to preserve the secret.

Sounds cool?
 

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In the past science told us that there were 3 states of matter. Now we have about 6 and plasma being the most abundant in the universe.
Einstein firmly believed that univers always existed as it is now, but his theory did not say that.
So I wonder if everything we believe now is true.

Science is, and always will be, an approximation of the truth. Scientific models are constantly refined. It's very rare, however, for a scientific model to be completely thrown out.

It's a bit like trying to draw a circle, but you have a limited number of vertices with which to connect the points. You start with three vertices (the minimum number to form a polygon, of course), and connecting them, you have a triangle. Add another vertex, you get a square. Add another one, you have a pentagon, then a hexagon, and so on. Each time you add a vertex, the shape gets closer and closer to a circle, but in order to actually have a perfect circle, you need an infinite number of vertices.

That's what science is. Each addition of a vertex is a another bit of confirmation of a scientific theory, with the absolute truth being the finished circle. In the beginning, the shape you have bears no resemblance to a circle - this is the equivalent of, say, bronze age myths about gods moving the sun and the moon around the sky, but as each bit of knowledge is accumulated, as each bit of evidence is presented, the final picture becomes clearer and clearer. But we know that because there is limited time, there will always be a finite limit to the amount we can know, and therefore we will never actually attain that perfect circle - the absolute truth, only an approximation.

So in your points above about Einstein believing the universe to have existed forever in its present state, and the states of matter, well those are just older approximations based on the evidence at the time (and a bit of ideology, perhaps), but as more and more evidence is accumulated, the picture becomes clearer.

Einstein was a genius, but he was also human, and was therefore just as prone to getting things wrong as anyone else.


I had a scifi idea... Mankind was capable of space travelling in the distant past, during prehistory, but all traces of such great civilization were lost when Alexandria library was burned.

Mankind sent a mission to moon and mars and found strange remnants of past travels (like a prehistoric Apollo) and they believe they found aliens. But they only found the remnants of past trips of humanity. Microorganisms are found to be similar that those on Earth so scientists start to believe we came from that planet and aliens brought us here, while indeed those prehistoric trips exported them from Earth.

After the sinking of Atlantis (where all launch sites were located) space trips were over. Humanity in space got isolated from Earth and they developed their own technology, until they designed UFOs. So UFOs are the descendants of humans from past exploration of solar system. Atlantis existence was secret, and Plato leaked it from government files, and he was discredited to preserve the secret.

Sounds cool?

Nice idea. Certainly sci-fi though.
 

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I had a scifi idea... Mankind was capable of space travelling in the distant past, during prehistory, but all traces of such great civilization were lost when Alexandria library was burned.

That's interesting and would at least make for interesting sci fi. There was a movie I saw on netflix a week or so ago (made in the 60s) about landing on the moon and finding a british flag there. The whole movie is a flash back to the 1880s in which a scientist discovered he could turn off gravity (not propel himself, just remove the earth's influence) with a sort of epoxy paint and made a spherical craft to fly to the moon. Neat stuff actually. Fun sci fi if not flawed.

I do take issue with your use of the Library of Alexandria. You're right that we're missing a wealth of probably great greek works because the Library was either maliciously destroyed or lost by a catastrophic fire (IIRC there is some debate as to which account of the several out there is most plausible). But we also have a wealth of works from the Library because of one of the tenets of the Library -- not just to compile knowledge but to spread it. If you entered Alexandria, you were searched for books. If they found one they didn't have, it was confiscated and you were paid for it. It was then copied by paid scribes and posted for sale. Tons of copies of works from the Library have been found elsewhere. So I find it hard to believe that any works about manned spaceflight would go uncopied.
 

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Ar81, you're starting to sound like a nut. :p
If you write a storythat is inside the box you are recycling existing ideas.
Every new idea is nutty.
New ideas is what keeps creative evolution, the intuitive process of creation.

In this case, that scifi would prove how is that if you refuse to believe that man went to space during prehistory, you would believe in aliens.

If we become a lost civilization, and a future humanity reaches the moon and find Apollo lander, they could think that aliens are visiting them, while indeed they would be facing relics of human prehistoric missions.
 

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Could a future humanity reach the moon without first finding the radioactive material gathered up in piles on Earth? That evidence might point to a "past humanity" that created the strange moon artifacts. And Twinkies too, which would also survive a cataclysm.
 

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I believe I might have heard that the LM bottoms have voyager style plates on them.
I like your thinking ar81. And I am often thinking about what will be left of humanity. We could die faster than one could image. The good old pandemic (especialy if it is something home grown) can wipe us all out before we know it. And if there are survivors that sometime in the far future reach a level of science that enables them to seriously research the past of this planet, what will they find?
 
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