New Release Interplanetary Modular Spacecraft RC9

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jedidia said:
IMFD is actually able to handle the main burn with different thruster groups. I'm not sure on what criterions it chooses the group to work with, but if hovers are the only thing you've got, it will work with them.
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It can be set from the configuration screen.

I think it just checks for the presence of Orbiter's default thruster groups (thgroup_main, thgroup_hover, etc.) in specified order.
 
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Izack said:
It can be set from the configuration screen.

I think it just checks for the presence of Orbiter's default thruster groups (thgroup_main, thgroup_hover, etc.) in specified order.
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Thank you both, I tried it today before work and it didn't work - had engines in group 1, will try to integrate them as group 2.

One thing - is it possible in the IMS "flight" subdisplay that you've mixed prograde and retrograde?
 
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No it's not, pro and retro buttons are working correctly. Please don't forget that stock autopilots use the frame of reference of the body which has the most gravitational influence on you at the moment and not the one selected on the HUD or MFD. It may render HUD confusing too, especially in gas giant systems.

---------- Post added at 07:31 ---------- Previous post was at 07:20 ----------

Can't help with IMFD though, never used it, especially with landers.
 
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PeterRoss said:
No it's not, pro and retro buttons are working correctly. Please don't forget that stock autopilots use the frame of reference of the body which has the most gravitational influence on you at the moment and not the one selected on the HUD or MFD. It may render HUD confusing too, especially in gas giant systems.

---------- Post added at 07:31 ---------- Previous post was at 07:20 ----------

Can't help with IMFD though, never used it, especially with landers.
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Since you're using IMFD, The "SOI" flag in IMFD's map program will show the gravitational sphere of influence for bodies, which is the changeover points for the hud/autopilots.
 
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Docking ports issues

Here is a summary of the docking port issues I've experienced so far.

Dock-test_01.scn
This is the starting point: all modules are just docked each other and control module is sealed.
Code: 
BEGIN_DESC
Starting point: all modules are just docked each other and control module is sealed.
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD 52059.3570921999
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship Essai3
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET Essai3
  MODE Extern
  POS 17.45 83.37 -2.30
  TRACKMODE TargetRelative
  FOV 40.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_SHIPS
Essai3:IMS\SBB41B\BG203_CONTROL_AI_SContainer
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 6850292.47 -8.52 1478896.01
  RVEL -1591.494 -0.066 7371.848
  AROT -0.00 -0.00 -0.00
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000
  DOCKINFO 1:0,tp02
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  COMMAND 0 1
  EMPTYMASS 2000.000000
  MASSCENTER 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000
  PMI 1.000000 1.000000 1.000000
  CONSUMABLES 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0
  TEMPERATURES -1:298.00:273.08
  HEATING -1
  THGROUPLEVELS 0 0 0 0 
  CREW 0 0
  ENERGY 0.000000
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
END
tp02:IMS\SBB41B\BT101_Truss
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 6850292.47 -10.88 1478896.01
  RVEL -1591.494 -0.066 7371.848
  AROT -0.00 -0.00 -90.00
  AFCMODE 7
  DOCKINFO 0:1,Essai3 4:0,tp01 5:0,tp03
  NAVFREQ 0 0
END
tp01:IMS\Docking_Adapter_APAS
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 6850292.47 -10.88 1478902.04
  RVEL -1591.494 -0.066 7371.848
  AROT -0.00 -0.00 -0.00
  AFCMODE 7
  DOCKINFO 0:4,tp02
  NAVFREQ 0 0
END
tp03:IMS\Docking_Adapter_APAS
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 6850292.47 -10.88 1478889.99
  RVEL -1591.494 -0.066 7371.848
  AROT 180.00 0.00 -180.00
  AFCMODE 7
  DOCKINFO 0:5,tp02
  NAVFREQ 0 0
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END


Dock-test_02.scn
Starting from Dock-test_01.scn, all the modules are integrated and scenario is saved in Dock-test_02.scn. Once the scenario is opened, all docking ports are correct.
Dock-test_02.JPG
Code: 
BEGIN_DESC
Starting from Dock-test_01.scn, all the modules are integrated and scenario is saved in Dock-test_02.scn. Once the scenario is opened, all docking ports are correct.
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD 52059.3576796978
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship Essai3
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET Essai3
  MODE Extern
  POS 2.85 87.38 3.29
  TRACKMODE TargetRelative
  FOV 40.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_PANEL
END_PANEL

BEGIN_SHIPS
Essai3:IMS\SBB41B\BG203_CONTROL_AI_SContainer
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 6759331.26 -11.86 1850697.86
  RVEL -1991.603 -0.065 7273.961
  AROT -0.00 -0.00 -0.00
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  COMMAND 0 0
  MODULE SBB41B\BT101_Truss 0,-2.3571,0 0,0,1 -1,0,0 0
  MODULE Docking_Adapter_APAS 0,-2.3571,-6.0261 0,0,-1 0,1,0 0
  MODULE Docking_Adapter_APAS 0,-2.3571,6.0261 0,0,1 0,1,0 0
  DELETEPOINT 2
  ATTPOINT IM 0,-3.4459,0 0,-1,0 0,0,1
  ATTPOINT IM -1.0887,-2.3571,0 -1,0,0 0,0,1
  ATTPOINT IM 1.0887,-2.3571,0 1,0,0 0,0,1
  DELETEPORT 1
  CONSTRUCTIONPORT 0,-3.4459,0 0,-1,0 0,0,1
  CONSTRUCTIONPORT -1.0887,-2.3571,0 -1,0,0 0,0,1
  CONSTRUCTIONPORT 1.0887,-2.3571,0 1,0,0 0,0,1
  DOCKPORT 0,-2.3571,-6.9761 0,0,-1 0,1,0
  DOCKPORT 0,-2.3571,6.9761 0,0,1 0,1,0
  EMPTYMASS 3600.000000
  MASSCENTER 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000
  PMI 9.100000 9.100000 1.700000
  CONSUMABLES 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0
  TEMPERATURES -1:298.00:326.49
  HEATING no
  THGROUPLEVELS 0 0 0 0 
  CREW 0 0
  ENERGY 0.000000
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END

Dock-test_03.scn
Starting from Dock-test_02.scn, docks 1 to 6 were removed and scenario was saved in Dock-test_03.scn. Once the scenario is opened, dock 1 is misplaced on Control Module and dock 2 is correct. Same behaviour if docks 1 to 4 were previously removed (instead of 1 to 6).
Dock-test_03.JPG
Code: 
BEGIN_DESC
Starting from Dock-test_02.scn, docks 1 to 6 were removed and scenario was saved in Dock-test_03.scn. Once the scenario is opened, dock 1 is misplaced on Control Module and dock 2 is correct. Same behaviour if docks 1 to 4 were previously removed (instead of 1 to 6).
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD 52059.3576411069
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship Essai3
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET Essai3
  MODE Extern
  POS 4.00 63.89 -2.16
  TRACKMODE TargetRelative
  FOV 40.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_PANEL
END_PANEL

BEGIN_SHIPS
Essai3:IMS\SBB41B\BG203_CONTROL_AI_SContainer
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 6765928.26 -11.64 1826432.72
  RVEL -1965.491 -0.065 7281.060
  AROT -0.00 0.00 -0.00
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  COMMAND 0 0
  MODULE SBB41B\BT101_Truss 0,-2.3571,0 0,0,1 -1,0,0 0
  MODULE Docking_Adapter_APAS 0,-2.3571,6.0261 0,0,1 0,1,0 0
  MODULE Docking_Adapter_APAS 0,-2.3571,-6.0261 0,0,-1 0,1,0 0
  DELETEPOINT 2
  ATTPOINT IM 0,-3.4459,0 0,-1,0 0,0,1
  ATTPOINT IM -1.0887,-2.3571,0 -1,0,0 0,0,1
  ATTPOINT IM 1.0887,-2.3571,0 1,0,0 0,0,1
  DELETEPORT 1
  DOCKPORT 0,-2.3571,-6.9761 0,0,-1 0,1,0
  EMPTYMASS 3600.000000
  MASSCENTER 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000
  PMI 9.100000 9.100000 1.700000
  CONSUMABLES 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0
  TEMPERATURES -1:298.00:322.97
  HEATING no
  THGROUPLEVELS 0 0 0 0 
  CREW 0 0
  ENERGY 0.000000
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END

Dock-test_04.scn (before opening you need to finalise the vessel from Dock-test_03.scn)
Starting from Dock-test_03.scn, the vessel is finalised and the scenario is saved. Once the scenario is opened, a finished vessel is spawned (Essai3_2). Only one docking port is remaining on both vessels, and dock position is different in the spawned vessel compared to the original one. Scenario is saved in Dock-test_04.scn.
Dock-test_04.JPG
Code: 
BEGIN_DESC
Starting from Dock-test_03.scn, the vessel is finalised and the scenario is saved. Once the scenario is opened, a finished vessel is spawned (Essai3_2). Only one docking port is remaining on both vessels, and dock position is different in the spawned vessel compared to the original one. Scenario is saved in Dock-test_04.scn.
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD 52059.3605264673
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship Essai3
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET Essai3
  MODE Extern
  POS 5.03 87.81 10.87
  TRACKMODE TargetRelative
  FOV 40.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_PANEL
END_PANEL

BEGIN_SHIPS
Essai3:IMS\SBB41B\BG203_CONTROL_AI_SContainer
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 6039775.65 -27.28 3554539.61
  RVEL -3825.169 -0.059 6499.620
  AROT 0.00 -0.00 0.00
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  COMMAND 0 0
  MODULE SBB41B\BT101_Truss 0,-2.3571,0 0,0,1 -1,0,0 0
  MODULE Docking_Adapter_APAS 0,-2.3571,6.0261 0,0,1 0,1,0 0
  MODULE Docking_Adapter_APAS 0,-2.3571,-6.0261 0,0,-1 0,1,0 0
  DELETEPOINT 2
  ATTPOINT IM 0,-3.4459,0 0,-1,0 0,0,1
  ATTPOINT IM -1.0887,-2.3571,0 -1,0,0 0,0,1
  ATTPOINT IM 1.0887,-2.3571,0 1,0,0 0,0,1
  DELETEPORT 1
  DELETEPORT 0
  DOCKPORT 0,-2.3571,-6.9761 0,0,-1 0,1,0
  EMPTYMASS 3600.000000
  MASSCENTER 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000
  PMI 9.100000 9.100000 1.700000
  CONSUMABLES 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0
  TEMPERATURES -1:298.05:386.73
  HEATING no
  THGROUPLEVELS 0 0 0 0 
  CREW 0 0
  ENERGY 0.000000
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
END
Essai3_2:IMS\finished vessels\Essai3
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 6039775.72 -33.32 3554539.54
  RVEL -3825.167 -0.059 6499.619
  AROT 0.00 -0.00 0.00
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  COMMAND 0 0
  MODULES 0 0 0 
  CONSUMABLES 0.00010.00010.0001
  TEMPERATURES -1:298.01:361.43
  HEATING no
  THGROUPLEVELS 0 0 0 0 
  CREW 0 0
  ENERGY 0.000000
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END

Dock-test_05.scn (Before opening you need to finalise the vessel from Dock-test_02.scn)
Starting from Dock-test_02.scn, the vessel is finalised and the scenario is saved. Once the scenario is opened, a finished vessel is spawned (Essai3_3). Dock positions are different in the spawned vessel compared to the original one. Scenario is saved in Dock-test_05.scn
Dock-test_05.JPG
Code: 
BEGIN_DESC
Starting from Dock-test_02.scn, the vessel is finalised and the scenario is saved. Once the scenario is opened, a finished vessel is spawned (Essai3_3). Dock positions are different in the spawned vessel compared to the original one. Scenario is saved in Dock-test_05.scn
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD 52059.3585950432
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship Essai3
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET Essai3
  MODE Extern
  POS 5.02 89.39 11.31
  TRACKMODE TargetRelative
  FOV 40.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_PANEL
END_PANEL

BEGIN_SHIPS
Essai3:IMS\SBB41B\BG203_CONTROL_AI_SContainer
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 6577548.99 -16.97 2418572.85
  RVEL -2602.714 -0.064 7078.338
  AROT 0.00 -0.00 0.00
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  COMMAND 0 0
  MODULE SBB41B\BT101_Truss 0,-2.3571,0 0,0,1 -1,0,0 0
  MODULE Docking_Adapter_APAS 0,-2.3571,-6.0261 0,0,-1 0,1,0 0
  MODULE Docking_Adapter_APAS 0,-2.3571,6.0261 0,0,1 0,1,0 0
  DELETEPOINT 2
  ATTPOINT IM 0,-3.4459,0 0,-1,0 0,0,1
  ATTPOINT IM -1.0887,-2.3571,0 -1,0,0 0,0,1
  ATTPOINT IM 1.0887,-2.3571,0 1,0,0 0,0,1
  DELETEPORT 1
  DELETEPORT 0
  DOCKPORT 0,-2.3571,-6.9761 0,0,-1 0,1,0
  DOCKPORT 0,-2.3571,6.9761 0,0,1 0,1,0
  EMPTYMASS 3600.000000
  MASSCENTER 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000
  PMI 9.100000 9.100000 1.700000
  CONSUMABLES 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0
  TEMPERATURES -1:298.01:371.92
  HEATING no
  THGROUPLEVELS 0 0 0 0 
  CREW 0 0
  ENERGY 0.000000
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
END
Essai3_3:IMS\finished vessels\Essai3
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 6577548.95 -23.89 2418572.79
  RVEL -2602.717 -0.060 7078.334
  AROT 0.00 -0.00 0.00
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  COMMAND 0 0
  MODULES 0 0 0 
  CONSUMABLES 0.00010.00010.0001
  TEMPERATURES -1:298.00:296.19
  HEATING no
  THGROUPLEVELS 0 0 0 0 
  CREW 0 0
  ENERGY 0.000000
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END


I got the same results with other docking modules. Hope this could help if you're not aware yet. Many thanks for maintaining this great addon in spite of the contingencies of the real-life.
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Thank you for making clear the dependence on the reference concerning pro- and retrograde, I am sorry I brought this up so quickly.

This is indeed a great add-on, and its perspective on Orbiter is as different as a new sim is. It gives great an insight into the harsh and unforgiving economy of building a spaceship.

And thanks for the hint on IMFD handling hover engines - I checked through your starter's guide for IMS and assigned my engines the correct group - 3 for hover - and IMFD works perfectly!
 
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Here is my newest concept for interplanetary exploration.

Due to severe lack of budget and at the same time an urge for a prestige project, this interplanetary ship can only house 1 crew member for a lifetime, with only basic life support and no entertainment at all. A volunteer, if no one enlists on his own will, will be found by other means.

After the S.M.R.S. St. Georg has been disassembled to build the S.M.R.S. Novara, the Novara has now been split again into a trans-planetary insertion stage and an orbital exploration ship, equipped with a non-atmospheric moon lander.

Here it is, Seiner Majestät Raumschiff Admiral Tegetthoff!
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"We choose to go to Jupiter's moons, not because it is easy, but because it is hard!"
Austrian Emperor Kaiser Karl II. after the first man landed on Europa in 2024.
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Bah, the new beta crashes when you try to unseal CM with this message in the log:

Code: 
Finished initialising world
Finished initialising status
Finished initialising camera
Finished initialising panels
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: VESSEL::GetHorizonAirspeedVector
At least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.
Addons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with
future versions of Orbiter.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Finished setting up render state
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: oapiGetStationCount
At least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.
Addons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with
future versions of Orbiter.
---------------------------------------------------------------


Infamous 'black boxes' are still there.
 
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Both of those calls are not from IMS, but they are probably not what makes Orbiter crash. I wouldn't have expected it to work with the new Beta anyways, that will require a bit more work. That the crash happens on unsealing suggests that there's conflicts in temperature managment, but I have no idea what exactly could be causing this, nor will I have any for some time to come. Orbiter Beta will become a priority once I implement client compatibility.

Also, nothing I can do about the black Boxes, nor was bugfixing a priority of the new Beta, so no surprises there.
 
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I'm just trying out this wonderful addon. Can't believe I didn't notice it earlier...

I have one problem, maybe I'm a bad googler, but I can't seem to find answer for it:

I just built a test ship to see how things work. I put 5 RCS engines in various parts of the ship, so it would be capable of any rotation and translation direction.

However, if I rotate, ship also translates a bit. And if I translate, it rotates. I believe this is caused by RCS engines imbalance. In some cases some RCS engines should apply less thrust than others, so ship would only rotate/translate as desired.
How do I fix this problem? I can't make COG perfectly in between RCS engines, because modules are of different weight, dimensions, and so on.
 
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BEGIN_DESC

END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
System Sol
Date MJD 51982.5922358171
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
Ship TestShip2
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
TARGET TestShip2
MODE Cockpit
FOV 50.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_HUD
TYPE Docking
NAV 0
END_HUD

BEGIN_PANEL
END_PANEL

BEGIN_SHIPS
GL-01:DeltaGlider
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 6147717.75 -30.72 -3364341.06
RVEL 3620.391 0.008 6615.911
AROT -10.59 45.70 159.03
RCSMODE 2
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:0.553000 1:0.898069
NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0
XPDR 0
NOSECONE 1 1.0000
AAP 0:0 0:0 0:0
END
TestShip2:IMS\SBB41B\BM002_CONTROL_AI
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 6147697.97 -38.63 -3364311.25
RVEL 3620.358 0.011 6615.943
AROT 80.93 -10.17 37.86
RCSMODE 2
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000 3:0.997153
NAVFREQ 0 0
COMMAND 1 0
MODULE Truss_15m 0,0,3.1756 0,0,-1 1,0,0 0
MODULE Trussnode 0,-8.3,3.1756 0,1,0 1,0,0 0
MODULE SolarArrayCirc_7m 0,-8.3,4.4756 0,0,1 -1,0,0 0
MODULE Trussnode 0,8.3,3.1756 0,-1,0 1,0,0 0
MODULE SolarArrayCirc_7m 0,8.3,4.4756 0,0,1 1,0,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BRCS_ReactionControlSystem_Engine 0,9.5,3.1756 0,1,0 1,0,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BRCS_ReactionControlSystem_Engine 0,-9.5,3.1756 0,-1,0 1,0,0 0
MODULE Trussnode 0,0,-3.1756 0,0,1 1,0,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BTank202_LOX_LH2_SFuelTank 0,0,5.0834 0,0,-1 0,-1,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BRCS_ReactionControlSystem_Engine 0,0,-4.3756 0,0,-1 1,0,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BG201_Battery_SContainer 0,0,7.4597 1,0,0 0,0,-1 0
MODULE Trussnode 0,0,9.5281 0,0,-1 1,0,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BM013_CoolingSystem 0,0,12.7037 0,0,-1 0,-1,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BRCS_ReactionControlSystem_Engine 0,-1.2,9.5281 0,-1,0 1,0,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BRCS_ReactionControlSystem_Engine 0,1.2,9.5281 0,1,0 1,0,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BR010_Radiator 0,0,15.0793 0,0,1 0,1,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BHVE_Sidemount_Rocket_Engine 1.788,0,-3.9636 0,0,1 -1,0,0 0
MODULE SBB41B\BHVE_Sidemount_Rocket_Engine -1.788,0,-3.9636 0,0,1 1,0,0 0
DELETEPOINT 2
DELETEPOINT 1
ATTPOINT IM 0.8,0,3.1756 1,0,0 0,1,0
ATTPOINT IM -0.8,0,3.1756 -1,0,0 0,1,0
ATTPOINT IM 0,-8.3,2.3756 0,0,-1 1,0,0
ATTPOINT IM 0.8,-8.3,3.1756 1,0,0 0,0,1
ATTPOINT IM -0.8,-8.3,3.1756 -1,0,0 0,0,1
ATTPOINT IM 0,8.3,2.3756 0,0,-1 1,0,0
ATTPOINT IM 0.8,8.3,3.1756 1,0,0 0,0,-1
ATTPOINT IM -0.8,8.3,3.1756 -1,0,0 0,0,-1
ATTPOINT IM 0,0.8,-3.1756 0,1,0 1,0,0
ATTPOINT IM 0,-0.8,-3.1756 0,-1,0 1,0,0
ATTPOINT IM 0.8,0,9.5281 1,0,0 0,1,0
ATTPOINT IM -0.8,0,9.5281 -1,0,0 0,1,0
DELETEPORT 1
DELETEPORT 0
CONSTRUCTIONPORT 0.8,0,3.1756 1,0,0 0,1,0
CONSTRUCTIONPORT -0.8,0,3.1756 -1,0,0 0,1,0
CONSTRUCTIONPORT 0,-8.3,2.3756 0,0,-1 1,0,0
CONSTRUCTIONPORT 0.8,-8.3,3.1756 1,0,0 0,0,1
CONSTRUCTIONPORT -0.8,-8.3,3.1756 -1,0,0 0,0,1
CONSTRUCTIONPORT 0,8.3,2.3756 0,0,-1 1,0,0
CONSTRUCTIONPORT 0.8,8.3,3.1756 1,0,0 0,0,-1
CONSTRUCTIONPORT -0.8,8.3,3.1756 -1,0,0 0,0,-1
CONSTRUCTIONPORT 0,0.8,-3.1756 0,1,0 1,0,0
CONSTRUCTIONPORT 0,-0.8,-3.1756 0,-1,0 1,0,0
CONSTRUCTIONPORT 0.8,0,9.5281 1,0,0 0,1,0
CONSTRUCTIONPORT -0.8,0,9.5281 -1,0,0 0,1,0
EMPTYMASS 20900.000000
MASSCENTER 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000
PMI 63.490000 31.870000 47.260000
PROP LOX_LH2 5680 5663.83
ENGINE 16 0 0
ENGINE 17 0 0
RCSBLOCK 4 1000 4099 0,9.5,3.1756 5 1,0,0 0,0,1 -1,0,0 0,0,-1 0,-1,0 1
RCSBLOCK 4 1000 4099 0,-9.5,3.1756 5 1,0,0 0,0,-1 -1,0,0 0,0,1 0,1,0 1
RCSBLOCK 4 1000 4099 0,0,-4.3756 5 1,0,0 0,1,0 -1,0,0 0,-1,0 0,0,1 1
RCSBLOCK 4 1000 4099 0,-1.2,9.5281 5 1,0,0 0,0,-1 -1,0,0 0,0,1 0,1,0 1
RCSBLOCK 4 1000 4099 0,1.2,9.5281 5 1,0,0 0,0,1 -1,0,0 0,0,-1 0,-1,0 1
ANIM 2 SolarArrayCirc_7m 1 1
ANIM 4 SolarArrayCirc_7m 1 1
ANIM 15 SBB41B\BR010_Radiator 0 0
CONSUMABLES 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0
TEMPERATURES -1:301.31:366.44 2:332.30:330.00 4:332.30:330.00 10:297.63:366.44

12:297.63:366.44 16:699.96:444.91 17:699.96:448.59
RADIATOR 15 200 0 0 1
HEATING -1
THGROUPLEVELS 0 0 0 0
CREW 0 0
ENERGY 593571428.659742
SOLARARRAY 2 1 0 0.870769 0.870769 0.974361 0.974361
SOLARARRAY 4 1 0 0.870769 0.870769 0.025639 0.025639
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
END
END_SHIPS
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Here it is. By the way, as I tried integrating engines into this ship before, thrust vector was wrong (it was 90 degrees to the right) although the engines pointed in the right direction. This time, vector is correct. Maybe a bug?

By the way, why are these engines overheating when I run them? there is a cooling system, a radiator, what am I missing?
 
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How do I fix this problem? I can't make COG perfectly in between RCS engines, because modules are of different weight, dimensions, and so on.
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Well, you can't fix it...

By the way, why are these engines overheating when I run them? there is a cooling system, a radiator, what am I missing?
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Radiator deployed? Radiator large enough? radiator temperature low enough? engine assigned to radiator in the first place? lots of stuff that can go wrong with radiators... :lol:
 
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Hi, Jedida, how's it going? :hello:


laukejas said:
By the way, why are these engines overheating when I run them? there is a cooling system, a radiator, what am I missing?
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We have engines efficiency set too low in our configs. Change it in engine's config file into 99.9999, you will have no need in radiators connected to engines at all.

I'll have a look at your scenario later when I'm home.
 
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jedidia said:
Well, you can't fix it...
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What do you mean? Then how I can make any kind of spacecraft that is capable of docking or traveling anywhere? (if I try to rotate in trans-planetary route, I'll ruin my trajectory).
How do other people deal with this thing when making their spacecraft with IMS?


jedidia said:
Radiator deployed? Radiator large enough? radiator temperature low enough? engine assigned to radiator in the first place? lots of stuff that can go wrong with radiators... :lol:
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I might be missing something, but I can't seem to find the way to deploy radiators (the ones that are supposed to be deployed). When I integrate them in the ship, they don't show up in the list. In comparison, solar panels do show up, and I can deploy them, but not radiators.
And I can't find a way to assign radiators to engines, cooling systems or anything else. Where is that "assign" button?
 
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What do you mean? Then how I can make any kind of spacecraft that is capable of docking or traveling anywhere? (if I try to rotate in trans-planetary route, I'll ruin my trajectory).
How do other people deal with this thing when making their spacecraft with IMS?
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Docking with larger vessels is a pain, that's true, and there's plans to remedy this in the future, but currently I have no Idea when I'll be able to pick up development again. You don't need to worry about your trajectory, though. The translation introduced for a more or less sensibly built vessel is negligible for trajectory planning.


I might be missing something, but I can't seem to find the way to deploy radiators
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They're not in the list, you have to click their icons in the temperature control screen. Once a radiator shows up in the module info, you can assign modules to it by clicking on them in the modules list, and you'll see the deployment button too. There's a link to preliminary, but mostly complete docummentation in the first post of this thread.

Hi, Jedida, how's it going?
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Orbiter Forum seems to be working correctly again for me since yesterday evening, unless this is just a passing fad chances of me picking up development again have increased a bit. But I have a lot of work piling up, and the kids aren't helping very much... Probably won't get around to it this month, and half of the next is already booked for workshops. Maybe I can get something akin to a vacation around christmass in which I'll have some time to work on IMS... :shifty:
 
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to laukejas:
I checked your vessel. Its rotation goes almost flawlessly, and its translation goes badly because of the same exact probem you've mentioned - RCS modules placement is unbalanced. It's a problem of this exact vessel's design, IMS just can't adjust RCS thrust by itself. I can tell in advance that it is not hard at all to desing vessels with RCS placed correctly. In your particular case the forwardmost set of RCS thrusters is unneded if not unwanted.
You have too little radiator surface for such a vessel too, and you HAVE to deploy radiator even if it looks like it doesn't need to be deployed (it is an IMS limitation currently). You have to assign each module to some radiator too.
You can read more about radiators management (and pretty anything else about IMS) here:

http://orbiter-forum.com/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=248

Radiators descibed in the first post in the thread, in Engineering Panel / The temperature screen chapter.

jedidia said:
Orbiter Forum seems to be working correctly again for me since yesterday evening, unless this is just a passing fad chances of me picking up development again have increased a bit. But I have a lot of work piling up, and the kids aren't helping very much... Probably won't get around to it this month, and half of the next is already booked for workshops. Maybe I can get something akin to a vacation around christmass in which I'll have some time to work on IMS...
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OK, I'll write Santa to gift you some free time then :)
 
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