McCain Chooses Palin as Running Mate

There was a close visual relation between Knut (the polar bear in question) and Elvis Presley last summer... With the exception that the US government stopped paying Elvis after he left the Army.

No time for a reply -- have to go to work and oppress the masses and destroy the environment as part of the secret, powerful oil company cabal that actually runs the world (I think we're having a meeting with Dick Cheney today to discuss some particularly cruel new torture; something about puppies, if I remember correctly) -- I'll try to write something later. But in the meantime -- that comment is seriously clever and funny.
 
I am not too impressed by Palin, seeing her this (German) morning, regarding the fact that she takes the service of consultant companies since she was candidate for mayor. I would have expected better. The show was mostly a display of played weakness and a deeply betrayed "How can you dare to attack my family, after I put them into the line of fire."

I don't know what I missed, but I did not see much which defines her, except "Hockey mom", "Son goes to Army", "Son goes to Iraq", "Husband is.....". Is that all a reason to elect somebody? No indication of the politics?
 
I don't know what I missed, but I did not see much which defines her, except "Hockey mom", "Son goes to Army", "Son goes to Iraq", "Husband is.....". Is that all a reason to elect somebody? No indication of the politics?

This goes to my point of an "average American." To me as a voter, it is very appealing. McCain (military) and her (mayor and governor) have actually led something, unlike the other two. To me this is very appealing.

Change for change sake, doesn't fly with me. Of course I am still waiting for the full vetitng to take place and something of substance to the republican platform other than we promise this, that and the kitchen sink. I'd like to get some specifics on HOW they are going to do it.

At least with Obama and Biden, I know that I am going to be taxed more, my company is going to be taxed more, that I am going to pay more fuel tax, etc.. and that this is the way they are going to pay for the "change."
 
If nothing else, she seems to be a far better shot than Cheney. If she ever goes hunting while in office, she'll shoot the right mofo, she'll drop it for sure and she will stew and eat it too. No half-assed jobs here.

True. But I guess, if the US voters don't elect her, half the species in Alaska will be remembered as "Ended in Sarah Palin's fridge". Davy Jones Locker is nothing compared to this.

And man... you could hide maybe also some human corpses among the many dead animals... who could tell... maybe it was just a sasquash.
 
True. But I guess, if the US voters don't elect her, half the species in Alaska will be remembered as "Ended in Sarah Palin's fridge".

If she would put a good part of Washington, DC politicos into her fridge I guess it would be a great reason to vote for her. Hey, we could offer her a vacation 'round here too.
 
What kind of idiot do you take me for? You were OBVIOUSLY talking about america. What's disgusting is your complete lack of honesty. Your entire post is one giant equivocation.

I didn't know God was in the forum. He can state my obvious meaning for everyone? How nice. If you wish to continue calling me a liar in a public forum, I suggest you PROVE it explicitly, or shut your mouth.

Yes, because allowing lies to go on from your side right in front of you is tacit support even if you don't think it's true. You know it helps you so you ignore it. If you had any intellectual honesty at all you would have tried to stop the lies because it's not only the right thing to do, it's the only way to save any credibility your side might have.

Again God passes judgement. I don't seem to recall your "side" was ever famous for stopping lies and rumors either. My SIDE is the USA, and my concern for what it is degenerating into. Again, it must be too many Superfriends cartoons.



You must really think I'm a complete fool. Unlike you I do not let vicious lies about a 17 yr old and her family slide by just because the burden of proof should be on the accuser, I can and will completely dismantle the insanity in order to ruin the credibility of the accuser. You only wish I would stand by and shut up so that those lies could go on being told, doing their political damage with the easily deceived. I'm not that stupid.

Yes, I am sure you will continue your crusade.

As stated above you do it all the time, only you think you're clever about it.

Paranoia?

I did not insult you. And the label fits.

Now who is being less than honest? It's amazing how fanatical reactionaries don't know the difference between persistence and insanity. Ooops, was that a label? Sorry

That last statement is your pathetic attempt at an "out" - you'll just denounce any source I provide as "uncredible" and disregard it. Here goes, please prove me wrong, I'd love to be wrong about this.

I wish you were as well, behaviour of that sort from Law enforcement is deplorable. Looks credible to me. There are a lot of other issues about MS. Palin however. I think she hurt her "side's" credibility a great deal when she told an out and out lie in her speech about the bridge to nowhere.

That one I can offer you all the PROOF you want.
 
If she would put a good part of Washington, DC politicos into her fridge I guess it would be a great reason to vote for her. Hey, we could offer her a vacation 'round here too.

Damn. Where are the photoshop grandmasters, when you need some one to mix Lara Croft and Sarah Palin... I mean, shouldn't be too hard. Just make some parts a bit smaller... :lol:
 
Maybe they [the "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth"] were just a bunch of guys payed a boatload of money to tell lies about John Kerry, who was in fact the one maligned.

I think that you must have a monumentally pessimistic regard to human nature. My understanding is that the group to which you refer, numbered a couple of hundred persons and included almost everyone who had associated with John Kerry in his Swiftboat career - among them, other boat commanders and crews, Kerry's commanding officer and the admiral in overall command of Swiftboat operations. And you presume that all these men were bound together as a group, by a common, cooperative intent to accept bribe money to tell lies (and, moreover, about someone whom they would otherwise have good reason to respect and honor as a comrade-in-arms).

How likely is that, really?

I am aware of the widespread allegations that these Swiftboaters' descriptions of their experiences wrt John Kerry, have been "thoroughly debunked." Yet I am completely unaware of any actual debunking. Such "debunking" as there has been, has - to my knowledge - consisted entirely of noting that the advertisements produced by the Swiftboaters, in attempting to publicize their concerns, were "funded by a right-wing Republican."

As shocked - shocked! - as I am, to find that opponents to a Kerry Presidency, would stoop so low as to accept financial assistance in pursuing their campaign, from an opponent to a Kerry Presidency, nevertheless such a fact does nothing whatsoever to demonstrate their assertions about Kerry, to have been "lies" (instead, it represents the logical fallacy of Ad Hominem Argumentation). Additionally, I daresay that if virtually everyone who has associated with somebody, says the same things about him, then what they say, is likely to be true; and a proposition - that virtually the entire population of the Swifboat operations, contemporaneous with Kerry's career in Vietnam, was constituted by sailors and officers who would succumb to bribery - is not credible.
 
Holy freaking (&*(*&(*&(*7687&^%&89). Stop. Take a deep breath. That "news" was Daily Kos and DU fodder three weeks ago. Even they got embarrassed pushing it when ... wait for it ... they actually looked at the numbers.

Comrade Nomad. Take another look at the numbers and get back to me.


You should both take a breath -- and read this from the Air Force Times, quoting research from "Center for Responsive Politics" which the Air Force Times seems to think is an OK source.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/05/army_militarydonors_050408w/

As Mark Twain so famouly said, "There are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics." The report on military donations is based on individulal donations exceeding $200, because that is the threshold at which the donor must be identified. From January thru March service members - donating $200 or more - gave a total of $766,000. Rounding off to the nearest thousand, that total breaks down thus:

Ron Paul $201,000
Barak Obama $178,000
John McCain $132,000
Hillary Clinton $ 85,000

Unfortunately, the article doesn't say where the remaining $170,000 went. I suppose it was divied up among the dozen or more "also rans." I also suppose I could log onto Center for Responsive Politics and find out, if I cared enough.

So, that's $464,000 to the three leading anti-Iraq war canidates, and $132,000 to McCain.

The Airforce Times article, again quoting Center for Responsive Politics, points out that these figures, taking in only donations of $200 or more, are not representative of all military people. [But, IMO, perhaps a snap-shot of the officer corp - those serving in the most responsible and knowledgeable positions - and most likely to have 200 bucks to burn.] Donations from ALL service members shows McCain getting 62% in April, but that was down from 75% at the beginning of the year. [I suppose those figures came from polling data, since the small donors are not obligated to identify themselves.]

So, Greg, the reports on McCain's weak support among service members is not a complete Daily Kos buggering of fact - McCain's weakness is just suprising, not staggering.


Although, it hardly surprises me that military support for McCain is weak (for a Republican canidate) given that he wants to continue the Bush policies in Iraq. Military people know better than most that Sadam and Iraq represented a theoretical threat, while the proven threats of Osama and the Taliban are still free and active. Not to mention the botched job done in Iraq by Bush et al.

As for Palin, clearly McCain caved to the far-right Evangelical wing of his party. I used to think that the Evans were the tail wagging the Republican dog. But it seems they have subsumed the entire GOP and are now holding the leash.

Heel, Maverik! HEEL! Good boy...
 
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I think that you must have a monumentally pessimistic regard to human nature.

Indeed. Most people will do almost anything fior money. Witness current "reality" TV.


How likely is that, really?

Not LIKELY, but not impossible. It was not likely that someone like Dubya could become President, but it happened. However, I did say maybe, meaning it was just an idea to chew on.

I am aware of the widespread allegations that these Swiftboaters' descriptions of their experiences wrt John Kerry, have been "thoroughly debunked." Yet I am completely unaware of any actual debunking.

True. however, I am not aware that any court has in fact, convicted John Kerry of being a war criminal.

As shocked - shocked! - as I am, to find that opponents to a Kerry Presidency, would stoop so low as to accept financial assistance in pursuing their campaign, from an opponent to a Kerry Presidency

Nothing shocking there, from either side. The whole original point was that I didn't see anyone from the Bush camp rushing out to help find the absolute truth, which to date, has still never been PROVEN one way or the other.
 
Ron Paul $201,000
Barak Obama $178,000
John McSame $132,000
Hillary Clinton $ 85,000

Ah..you sly dog you... If your going to Misspell one name, misspell them all:

Ron Pirate
Barak Ohno!
Hillary Chicken

snap-shot of the officer corp - those serving in the most responsible and knowledgeable positions.

That is debatable.... especially air farce...(Army joke )

Although, it hardly surprises me that military support for McCain is weak (for a Republican candidate) given that he wants to continue the Bush policies in Iraq.

Oh contraire... He is the only one that has from the very beginning advocated a winning policy in Iraq. It is funny how many times the democrats forget this point. Other than Iraq being front page news, as it was last year and the years before, it is now buried deep and often not covered. Why? Could it be that we are actually following the policies that Senator McCain advocated from the beginning and that they are...surprise...surprise...working?!?!

As for Palin, clearly McCain caved to the far-right Evangelical wing of his party.

I don't see it this way. Palin complements McCain. She, unlike the political elite from both sides, has actually done something about corruption even within her own party. She has actual experience handling BILLION dollar transactions. Although I for one would of been more excited about a McCain Liberman (sp)? ticket, the way I see it now, Palin will do.
 
If we are all misspelling, can you explain to me why the prudent republicans, who praise abstinence, have their congress in St. Pauli?

Bigots! I tell ya!
 
Ah..you sly dog you... If your going to Misspell one name, misspell them all

Regretable Feudian slip, corrected before you made your post, actually;) Bad form on my part, sinking to junior high school name-calling, especially when I was trying to make a serious point... and trying to get in a dig at Greg Burch, my old friend and political sparring partner!

That is debatable.... especially air farce...(Army joke )

Understood. Although, as a Coast Guard veteran from long ago I prefer "dissing" the Navy. (Aha! The real reason I won't vote for that old swabo!)

He is the only one that has from the very beginning advocated a winning policy in Iraq.

Refresh my memory, what did winning mean?
No, no, I remember - Eliminating the WMDs...
No, no, I remember - Deposing Sadam...
No, no, I remember - Democracy for Iraq...
No, no, I remember - Fighting Al-Qeada... well, that is, Al-Qeada in Iraq...
Um, they weren't in Iraq before we deposed Sadam... so, um...
I quess I can't remeber - what was it we and the Swabo were going to win?

Palin impresses me as posessing pretty much the same caliber of intellect as Bush. Faith over facts. Just the sort of deep reasoning that got us into Iraq.
 
Refresh my memory, what did winning mean?
No, no, I remember - Eliminating the WMDs...
No, no, I remember - Deposing Sadam...
No, no, I remember - Democracy for Iraq...
No, no, I remember - Fighting Al-Qeada... well, that is, Al-Qeada in Iraq...
Um, they weren't in Iraq before we deposed Sadam... so, um...
I quess I can't remeber - what was it we and the Swabo were going to win?

I quote a portion of an excellent Washington Post article written in 2005. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/18/AR2005111802396.html

"But there is nothing nuanced about his position on the Iraq war. In speeches on and off the Senate floor and in countless television interviews, McCain has argued that it was right to remove Saddam Hussein and that the United States and its allies must remain in Iraq until conditions are created for a stable, secure Iraqi government."

This is what I mean by winning. Nothing about WMD, which by-the-way President Clinton thought was there as well. Simply put, as stated above, winning in Iraq is to remove Saddam (which is done), and a stable, secure Iraqi government (which is now in the process of happening.)

Palin impresses me as posessing pretty much the same caliber of intellect as Bush. Faith over facts. Just the sort of deep reasoning that got us into Iraq.

I do no see how you can come to that conclusion. Can you give some specific reasons for this opinion? I see her as someone who actually understands that she works for the PEOPLE, and not special interests. She is "ballsie." That in and of itself peaks my interest.
 
Indeed. Most people will do almost anything fior money. Witness current "reality" TV.

Well, I actually have little experience with "reality TV," since it doesn't entertain me, but I am fairly confident that its participants do not include "most people" - even if I did suppose that "almost anything for money" included publicly telling disparaging lies about a close associate.

It seems to me that military officers, particularly, tend to be rigorously screened for honesty (note the very strict "honor codes" in military academies), since they must be trustworthy in communicating tactical information, lest people die. This is not to say that a (former) military officer would necessarily reject dishonesty, even in pursuing political goals, but members of the Swiftboat Vets group were generally without any evident political ambitions, and to suppose that they were the ones likely to be (unanimously) dishonest, in contravention of professional habits and personal honor, would seem to be contrary to an Occam's Razor consideration.

I did say maybe, meaning it was just an idea to chew on.

Actually, your original statement was:

I seem to recall the right had no problem four years ago when John Kerry was "swiftboated" in attacks that were all lies.

But never mind. I welcome your having calmed down, a bit.

True. however, I am not aware that any court has in fact, convicted John Kerry of being a war criminal.

I'm not sure what you mean, here. John Kerry accused others of being war criminals. Of the various things that the Swiftboat Vets group had to say about him, I don't recall that accusing him of war crimes, was included.

More to the point, the Swiftboat Vets group was formed, with the common belief that John Kerry would likely be a bad President, if he were to be elected, and with the intent to explain why and to express their opinion of his military career, in response to his representation of himself as a military hero and therefore deserving of Presidential election ("I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for duty," he saluted the cheering [and eyerolling] throngs [btw, "throngs" is a funny word, is it not? Especially since it is arguable that there was only one throng, there, at the time. Anyway...]). To that end, they described their experiences. They were not seeking to prove, nor to convict him of, anything, but merely to express their commonly held opinion of his "fitness to command."

I can sympathize with your concern that disparaging accusations should be proven or not made, but I don't suppose that the Swiftboaters' statements were outrageous, in the context in which they were made, nor was Kerry, himself, exactly rigorous in characterizing, disparagingly, his associates - which was part of what motivated the Swiftboaters, in the first place.

The whole original point was that I didn't see anyone from the Bush camp rushing out to help find the absolute truth, which to date, has still never been PROVEN one way or the other.

I don't suppose that the Bush camp had any basis for disputing the common statements of a group constituted by nearly all of Kerry's military associates, nor for regarding their assertions as irrelevant to Kerry's basing his Presidential campaign upon his military record.

In contrast, Sarah Palin has, in no way, based her political campaign for Vice-President, upon her 17y/o daughter's sexual behavior.
 
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The question is going to be put to all Americans, when it comes time to vote, " Do you feel safer now, than before Bush took office ? " That will be, the deciding factor, for most people, who actually vote.
 
In contrast, Sarah Palin has, in no way, based her political campaign for Vice-President, upon her 17y/o daughter's sexual behavior.

True - that was the part she explicitly avoided to mention, but except her family, she had really little to offer in her speech. Would you have elected Roseanne Conner for VP?;)


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The question is going to be put to all Americans, when it comes time to vote, " Do you feel safer now, than before Bush took office ? " That will be, the deciding factor, for most people, who actually vote.

I thought, most will vote, how they want to be governed and represented into the world.

"Do you feel safer now" is a pretty relative term, regarding the fact, that most of the terror fear of the US citizens comes from Bush's playing on the Terror warning scale. Only very few had been directly affected by terrorism, and the US citizens still have no lower, or higher chance of dying in an act of terror. I am even sure, out of the current population of the USA, far less than 1% will die because of terror. Except you include heart attacks during the one millionth replay of the WTC attacks.

Bush got reelected by playing on the terror warning scale, and you can be sure, it will not stop people to make a wise decision when one of the candidates reminds them again on the dangers of the outside world, of which a strong government must protect them. Fear is a as good way to rule a country as making the people happy.

The comm... terrorists could be hiding anywhere!
 
The comm... terrorists could be hiding anywhere!

Isn't that the whole idea behind terrorism? The point of the matter is that you have to be vigliant, and even then that doesn't work.
 
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