Project MOL Revived (Sort Of)

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Spent some time doing extensive image searches and there are two Gemini-Bs: a trainer (at KSC if not mistaken) and the re-fitted Gemini 2.

They more or less match, but I couldn't find good enough images to make the labels readable.
Perhaps in the future someone will take better pictures :hmm:



So I must rethink a bit the idea of doing Gemini-B vs Gemini....

For Gemini we have detailed info on the instruments, and more missions.
I guess that having working instruments would enhance those missions more than the MOL stuff, where you don't do much flying....
It's a matter of time X results. Must give it some though! :)
 

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For Gemini we have detailed info on the instruments, and more missions.
I guess that having working instruments would enhance those missions more than the MOL stuff, where you don't do much flying....
It's a matter of time X results. Must give it some though! :)

Gemini also allows defining a lot of the components and patterns, that Gemini-B would have used as well.

But from my own experience with making a Gemini at this component level and constructing it bottom-up: Be ready for refactoring everything and be ready for failing. A good solution for one small electrical problems turns into a bad solution for the next.

And Gemini is full of analog technology - either you treat it as black box and keep the analog magic hidden behind abstraction, or you need to increase your fidelity.

I would recommend the black box approach for you after trying the opposite. It is not like it was a bad experiment, and having a fully functional GDC emulation is really nice. But you try to run a Marathon in micrometer steps. Better start at the player front-end and then just do as much as needed to at least pretend that the instruments work correctly.
 

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Urwumpe, there will be no new systems simulation (on my part).
Only the translation of the vessel parameters to the analog displays, using an updated 3D mesh with new groups and animations.
 

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Only the translation of the vessel parameters to the analog displays, using an updated 3D mesh with new groups and animations.

Make sure you have the whip antennas! :) The old meshes are really annoying in that context.

(And that the highly visible horizon scanners are not moving)
 

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After some thinking I decided to upgrade the existing Gemini mesh.
That's a clearly defined goal, and although I'm keeping 3D detail to a minimum, I intend to add every major switch and dial.

Will do it in a way that the mesh groups are separated, so that someone in the future may use it to have a fully working VC and system simulation.

My LUA implementation will no do that much, but there's no point in not having a proper complete mesh.

Looking like this:
gemini1.jpg

gemini2.jpg


Of course, all those dials and switches must now be removed from the texture.

Will take time but it's looking good ;-)
 

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A little distraction for the VC :)

With the new Gemini add-on released based on SC4, I decided to tackle the UMMU EVA.
Very basic, the idea is to setup the existing meshes as UMMU instead of attachments.
gemini%20UMMU%20EVA.jpg


For a release there are better EVA meshes, but for now I'm just interested on the configs.
Will share those when I have UCGO for Gemini also sorted out.
 

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May i borrow your Skylab B scenarios to use it with NASSP ? Because i have computer crashes with AAPO. If i test it again i will try to post it for you to see if you can help me.:)
 

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Thank you. But I am sorry to say that when i try to approach the station,when i am under 300 meters from it,Orbiter stops ,a text message saying "Orbiter.exe a cessé de fonctionner" is featured on the screen ,and the Orbiter.log file says this:

**** Orbiter.log
Build Aug 30 2010 [v.100830]
Timer precision: 4.66511e-007 sec
Found 1 joystick(s)
Devices enumerated: 4
Devices accepted: 3
==> RGB Emulation
==> Direct3D HAL
==> Direct3D HAL (Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000)
Module AtlantisConfig.dll .... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module AtmConfig.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module DGConfigurator.dll .... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module ProjectApolloConfigurator.dll [Build 150804, API 100830]
Module LandMFD.dll ........... [Build ******, API 050206]
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: oapiRegisterMFDMode
At least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.
Addons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with
future versions of Orbiter.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Module LunarTransferMFD.dll .. [Build 100621, API 100603]
Module PylonMFD.dll .......... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module ReFuelMFD.dll ......... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module RPOP.dll .............. [Build 111124, API 100830]
Module SpaceNetwork.dll ...... [Build 130801, API 100830]
Module UnivPTG.dll ........... [Build 110305, API 100830]
Module videnie.dll ........... [Build 110912, API 100830]
Module ScnEditor.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module Rcontrol.dll .......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module HUDDrawer.dll ......... [Build 160907, API 100830]
Module Framerate.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module FlightData.dll ........ [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module LuaConsole.dll ........ [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module ExtMFD.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module OrbiterSound.dll ...... [Build 121120, API 100830]
Module ScriptMFD.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module joyride.dll ........... [Build ******, API 050206]
Module Interior_Navigator.dll [Build 150901, API 100830]
Module InterMFD422.dll ....... [Build 100704, API 100603]
Module HCLV_MFD.dll .......... [Build 130722, API 100830]
Module GPCMFD.dll ............ [Build 111222, API 100830]
Module CamShake.dll .......... [Build 100811, API 100606]
Module BaseSyncMFD.dll ....... [Build 160521, API 100830]
Module AttitudeMFD.dll ....... [Build ******, API 050206]
Module AeroBrakeMFD.dll ...... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module TransX2.dll ........... [Build 160907, API 100830]
Module LuaMFD.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module LaunchMFD.dll ......... [Build 160404, API 100830]
Module CustomMFD.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module TransX.dll ............ [Build 160907, API 100830]
Module Meshdebug.dll ......... [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module TrackIR.dll ........... [Build 100830, API 100830]
TrackIR module not found.
Module AutoFCS.dll ........... [Build ******, API 050206]
Module PrecessionMFD.dll ..... [Build 110904, API 100830]
190 stars read into catalogue
No SPK bodies loaded at this time.
Module ProjectApolloMFD.dll .. [Build 150804, API 100830]
Module RetroBurnMFD.dll ...... [Build 150809, API 100830]
Module DX9ExtMFD.dll ......... [Build 150812, API 100830]
Module FirstPerson.dll ....... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Attachment Manager.dll [Build ******, API 060425]
Module vel_hud.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Themis_MFD.dll ........ [Build 130317, API 100830]
Module CRT.dll ............... [Build 150818, API 100830]
Module Multistage2015_MFD.dll [Build 151027, API 100830]
Module BurnTimeMFD.dll ....... [Build 160907, API 100830]
Module GuidanceMFD.dll ....... [Build 110904, API 100830]
Module PursuitMFD.dll ........ [Build 160917, API 100830]
Error loading module Modules\Plugin\PursuitMFD_2016.dll (code 126)

**** Creating simulation session
DirectDraw interface OK
Direct3D interface OK
Graphics: Viewport: Window 1294 x 702 x 32
Graphics: Hardware T&L capability: No
Graphics: Z-buffer depth: 32 bit
Graphics: Active lights supported: -1
Loading 15382 records from star database
Joystick throttle: Z-AXIS
Joystick throttle control detected
Module Sun.dll ............... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(E) Sun: Precision 1e-006, Terms 554/6634
Module Mercury.dll ........... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Mercury: Precision 1e-005, Terms 167/7123
Module Venus.dll ............. [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module VenusAtm2006.dll ...... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Venus: Precision 1e-005, Terms 79/1710
Module Earth.dll ............. [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module EarthAtmJ71G.dll ...... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Earth: Precision 1e-008, Terms 2564/2564
Module Moon.dll .............. [Build 100830, API 100830]
ELP82: Precision 1e-005, Terms 116/829
Module Mars.dll .............. [Build 100830, API 100830]
Module MarsAtm2006.dll ....... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Mars: Precision 1e-005, Terms 405/6400
Module Phobos.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Deimos.dll ............ [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Galsat.dll ............ [Build 100217, API 100215]
Module Jupiter.dll ........... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Jupiter: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1624/3625
Module Europa.dll ............ [Build 100217, API 100215]
Module Satsat.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]
Module Saturn.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Saturn: Precision 1e-006, Terms 2904/6365
Module Mimas.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Mimas: Terms 113
Module Enceladus.dll ......... [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Enceladus: Terms 33
Module Tethys.dll ............ [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Tethys: Terms 101
Module Titan.dll ............. [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Titan: Terms 100
Module Iapetus.dll ........... [Build 100215, API 100212]
SATSAT Iapetus: Terms 605
Module Uranus.dll ............ [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Uranus: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1827/5269
Module Miranda.dll ........... [Build ******, API 060425]
Module Neptune.dll ........... [Build 100830, API 100830]
VSOP87(B) Neptune: Precision 1e-006, Terms 391/2024
Finished initialising world
Module spotlight2.dll ........ [Build 110421, API 100830]
Module Spacecraft3.dll ....... [Build 151106, API 100830]
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\skylab_b\slb_amu.msh
Module CSM.dll ............... [Build 130612, API 100830]
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ERROR: Missing texture: AAPO\silvergray.dds
>>> [TextureManager::AcquireTexture | .\Texture.cpp | 750]
---------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ERROR: Missing texture: CMtex\silvergray.dds
>>> [TextureManager::AcquireTexture | .\Texture.cpp | 750]
---------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ERROR: Missing texture: DockingProbetex\silvergray.dds
>>> [TextureManager::AcquireTexture | .\Texture.cpp | 750]
---------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ERROR: Missing texture: AAPO\white.dds
>>> [TextureManager::AcquireTexture | .\Texture.cpp | 750]
---------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ERROR: Missing texture: AAPO\silvergray.dds
>>> [TextureManager::AcquireTexture | .\Texture.cpp | 750]
---------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ERROR: Missing texture: AbortTowertex\silvergray.dds
>>> [TextureManager::AcquireTexture | .\Texture.cpp | 750]
---------------------------------------------------------------
Module Ummu.dll .............. [Build 140111, API 100830]
---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> WARNING: Obsolete API function used: VESSEL::SetBankMomentScale
At least one active module is accessing an obsolete interface function.
Addons which rely on obsolete functions may not be compatible with
future versions of Orbiter.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Finished initialising status
Finished initialising camera
Finished initialising panels
Finished setting up render state
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\.msh
**** WARNING: Mesh not found: .\Meshes\.msh

It also invokes as textures needed for this scenario to run correctly several ones who don't exist in your add-on. (It's not to say that it's not a good one,since i plan several uses for your Skylab-B addon,wich is very cool!) So i would like to ask you for an answer,knowing you created this add-on. I will also try to contact AAPO developpers for the same purpose.

I also would like to know how did you designed mission patches for Skylab-B,since i am also an amateur science-fiction writer,who likes to design fictionnal space programs who remains in realistic domain.

Although your Skylab-B addon often features crashes on my computer,it still remains a very good one.
 

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May i use your Apollo 18 files,because i plan to create an Orbiter simulation of Eyes Turned Skyward (a fictionnal universe in wich NASA focuses on space stations rather than a spaceplane). Since some missions of this timeline are already avalaible for Orbiter (this one,but also Skylab and ASTP), i plan to edit them for including them. Do you know if i may re-use Skylab and ASTP scenarios,to create an ETS version?:hailprobe:
 
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