News To Timewarner Cable Customers Please Read!!!

[jgrillo2002]

http://www.timewarnercable.com/CentralNY/Products/Cable/retrans/mtvnetworks/default.html

It seems MTV wants more money from them and this is disgusting. also I have been watching CN and instead of putting cute stuff that is appropriate to children, they are now putting cartoons that are sexually suggestive and not appropriate for our kids such as TDI and 6Teen, which are canadian made shows.:huh: now back on topic MTV is owned by VIacom so no surprise that they want mor emoney from us. what are your opinions on these 2 problems?

 

[Quick_Nick]

This is serious? Wow. I thought those little messages that they kept showing across the screen were a joke to get people to call Time Warner companies for some weird marketing reason. It seems for one reason or another, calling the number does nothing from my home number. I have Comcast, not Time Warner necessarily. Tried calling once, just to see what would happen, and it talked about my not being able to call or something and talking about Road Runner which is internet, not cable.

Anyways... it still could be a joke/trick. It's on Time Warner's website after all. Pulling networks that MUST earn them a LOT of money (these are popular channels... probably the MOST popular channels) seems a little ridiculous. And if these do truly happen to be the most popular channels, you know they're just up to some scheme.

 

[jgrillo2002]

I also think this is a joke too now lets about Cartoon Network. do you think that are only putting up sexually suggestive on nowadays. that's outrageous.

 

[Urwumpe]

jgrillo: I think you are victim of two misconceptions:

1. Cartoons are exclusively for little children.
2. Your morals are universal. From reading up on the shows (which are not aired in Germany yet), they are mostly harmless... let alone that I can't find more sexuality inside them than in billboard ads. And they are not made for children, but rather for teenagers and adults... which implies (and what the OH-MY-GOD-THINK-ABOUT-TEH-CHILDREN! PARENTAL-GUIDANCE-WARNING tells you) that this show is not meant to be watched by little children as they are likely not able to follow it. But even there, I have doubts the rating is really correct... The abstract of the shows is looking like it would be recommended in Germany from age 6 onward.

Damn... We watched Saber Rider, Mask, He-Man and Transformers when we had been kids... I have strong doubts, the quality of the children TV shows dropped, I must say, what I can allow my daughter to watch had become far better than the stuff I had in my youth... Even Spongebob is a much better show for children than the old Transformers stuff.

 

[RocketMan_Len]

And what's wrong with Canadian-made shows...? You *do* realize that many of the cartoons made today are actually made in Taiwan, or Japan?

Urwumpe is right - cartoons have *never* been just for little kids. Even Loony Toons wasn't as wholesome as some people make it out to be. (Pepe LePew was a stalker, Tweety Bird had an abusive revenge obsession... and we won't go into just how many kinds of criminal Bugs Bunny was! :rofl

 

[jgrillo2002]

You two dont get it. there was NO sexual suggestive on cartoon network when it was debut. what is wrong with you. you think IM a moron!?

 

[Urwumpe]

You two dont get it. there was NO sexual suggestive on cartoon network when it was debut.

And now is? Really?

what is wrong with you?

What is wrong with you? Are you attempting (badly) to pick fights? What is sexually suggestive behavior for you? Women wearing jeans?

you think IM a moron!?

Don't ask such questions, in case you expect a polite answer.

 

[Linguofreak]

jgrillo: I think you are victim of two misconceptions:

1. Cartoons are exclusively for little children.

I'll concede that point.

2. Your morals are universal.

And what's wrong with that?

From reading up on the shows (which are not aired in Germany yet), they are mostly harmless... let alone that I can't find more sexuality inside them than in billboard ads.

Frankly, considering what I have seen in German billboard adds, that's not saying much. American billboard adds tend to be a bit tamer, though they are heading that way.

And they are not made for children, but rather for teenagers and adults... which implies (and what the OH-MY-GOD-THINK-ABOUT-TEH-CHILDREN! PARENTAL-GUIDANCE-WARNING tells you) that this show is not meant to be watched by little children as they are likely not able to follow it.

I myself am not worried so much about the children as about my own standards. I like watching cartoons. But if a given cartoon contains material that I find offensive, I either have to turn it off, or violate my own conscience to continue watching. If sex is an integral part of the storyline of a given cartoon/movie/TV show/game, fine, I just won't watch the show or play the game. But if, as happens so often nowadays, some sexually suggestive or explicit scene is thrown in just to get some juvenile "Oh, look, sex! This makes the whole thing automatically funny!" reaction out of the audience, even though said scene does nothing to advance the plot, then I think I have reason to complain, because a show that I could otherwise have enjoyed has been ruined for me.

But even there, I have doubts the rating is really correct... The abstract of the shows is looking like it would be recommended in Germany from age 6 onward.

Again, given what I have seen in German and European cartoons marketed towards kids, I am not really comforted by that thought.

 

[Nerull]

Oh no, there's sex in my violence! What is the world coming to?

Some people have some pretty screwed up priorities.

 

[Missioncmdr]

"Like, for instance, if you're watching a TV show and you decide to take your values from that... you're an idiot. Maybe you should take responsibility for what values you're kids are getting. Maybe you shouldn't be letting your kids watch certain shows in the first place if you have such a big problem with them, instead of blaming the shows themselves. [long pause] Yeah."

-Family Guy

Besides, I remember seeing one of those Canadian shows, and I thought it was funny. Any child would not get any of the sexually-suggestive jokes anyway. Personally, I am sick of overprotective parents these days. What harm could a little dirty humor do to a child anyway?

 

[Nerull]

On another note, a little reading comprehension goes a long way. Viacom is increasing its rates. Time Warner doesn't want to pay the increased rates. As any other service will do if you stop paying them, Viacom is pulling their service. And they won't really care if its fair or not - just try that with your electric company. This isn't Time Warner taking down channels in some weird marketing scheme.

 

[Linguofreak]

You two dont get it. there was NO sexual suggestive on cartoon network when it was debut. what is wrong with you. you think IM a moron!?

No, it's just that outside the US (and even for alot of people inside the US) the bar tends to be higher for what is considered "suggestive."


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"Like, for instance, if you're watching a TV show and you decide to take your values from that... you're an idiot. Maybe you should take responsibility for what values you're kids are getting. Maybe you shouldn't be letting your kids watch certain shows in the first place if you have such a big problem with them, instead of blaming the shows themselves. [long pause] Yeah."

Which is exactly what my parents did. My Dad has a certain piece of wisdom that he'll say every once in a while "99% of the stuff that's labeled as inappropriate for children is inappropriate for adults as well." My parents didn't let us watch alot of the crap that was on TV, and they led by example and didn't watch it themselves.

But I think we have at least some right to complain about one thing: Such material is getting such a big market share that it becomes harder and harder to find anything that we're willing to allow into our house...

-Family Guy

Besides, I remember seeing one of those Canadian shows, and I thought it was funny. Any child would not get any of the sexually-suggestive jokes anyway. Personally, I am sick of overprotective parents these days. What harm could a little dirty humor do to a child anyway?

Desensitization. Most of the people in the circles I frequent would be pretty scandalized to have their children grow up to take quite as casual a view towards sex as a lot of people have voiced on this thread.

 

[Nerull]

Why do you think it is normal to be so afraid of normal human activity?

Such repression is unhealthy and only leads people to seek out extremes.

It seems, in the US, it is perfectly okay for a kid to see someone dismembered, with blood flying everywhere. But the sight of a character in a low cut top is enough to scar them for life.

 

[Linguofreak]

Why do you think it is normal to be so afraid of normal human activity?

I don't. Neither do I think that sex as portrayed in the entertainment media is "normal human activity." For one thing, the portrayal of sex in itself turns a private bonding time between two people into entertainment for the masses. What's "normal" about that?

Such repression is unhealthy and only leads people to seek out extremes.

It seems, in the US, it is perfectly okay for a kid to see someone dismembered, with blood flying everywhere.

I'm not exactly a fan of that either, though the more cynical might also say that that is "normal human activity," giving the Holocaust, the battle of Stalingrad, and the Rwandan genocide as just a few examples.

But the sight of a character in a low cut top is enough to scar them for life.

Not quite, but too much of that, especially given the way it is often presented, sends messages like "Sex is all there is to love and sexiness is all there is to beauty." Other things you will see in modern entertainment send messages like "Talking about sex is an automatic ticket to being funny."

 

[RocketMan_Len]

You two dont get it. there was NO sexual suggestive on cartoon network when it was debut.

You're kidding, right...? You don't find *anything* in a 'SuperFriends' or a 'GI Joe' cartoon sexually suggestive? The Tex Avery cartoon 'Red Hot Riding Hood' was nothing BUT sexual innuendo.

Maybe you're only just noticing it now...?

 

[Omhra]

If you don't like sex on your screen... turn the channel, you complainers...
If you don't like the cartoons don't watch them...
If you don't like it THEN don't be one...
If you think your morals are the highest in the land... well then; So are mine...
THE CHOICE THO.... the choice must not be taken or you are worst than all the evils you try to protect "us" from.
Unpopular things are not to be banned... unless you are trying to do away with freedom of speech, which I imagine in some parts of the world has been done away with... And if you think you have the right to ban some idea for the sake of the children... then like the dodos from "Ice Age"... doom on you, ... doom on you.... doom on you...

 

[Urwumpe]

And what's wrong with that?

The simple fact, that it is not like that. You might personally believe that your morals are generally valid, and not based on any bias, but in cold hard reality, they are.

What you find offensive, is in first place, what offends you. Just like any insult is only something, that insults you. And if you think, something is sexually suggestive, it sexually suggests something to you.

Looking at the recent censorship behavior, the censors and moral apostles seem to be far more sensitive for foul language, sexual content and bad role models than sane people.

The danger of such moral projections (which also happen from humans on animals... equally wrong.) is the risk of lowering the real standards of such behavior. In an extremely prudent society, like for example many arabian countries, walking around without a man on your side as woman is already a valid excuse for a rapist to convince a judge that the woman is guilty of being sexually suggestive.

if that is a long-term goal for you in the USA, fight on. but the more you criminalize normal human behavior, the more moral criminals you will produce.

 

[SlyCoopersButt]

Never even known any of these shows spoken of and I really have no opinon since I choose what I like to view as everyone else does. So I just respect everyones choice to view what they want. But a certain commercial on the other hand lately has really annoyed me that is of porn nature that has been everywhere it seems at late night. Even on the history channel at least once! That is very different as I have no control over when that is right in my face.

 

[Urwumpe]

I'm not exactly a fan of that either, though the more cynical might also say that that is "normal human activity," giving the Holocaust, the battle of Stalingrad, and the Rwandan genocide as just a few examples.

The battle of Stalingrad was actually normal, stupid warfare. Holocaust and Rwandan genocide was not - they had both been crimes, by general standards, with the bad conscience of the criminals showing that they know that they did wrong.

 

[Andy44]

you think IM a moron!?

:declare:

Set yourself right up for that one.