Question Aliens...Do you think they exist?

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To all the sites proclaiming evidence of extra-terretrials I say "Show me the hard proof." And not stories and heresay about crop circles and greys and black triangles with white lights in the sky. Or the beamship BS.

I currently like the reprogramming of Voyager 2 as my favorite story, for now.
 

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True. But I was not referring to the possibility of anything like our current nuts and bolts space endeavors.

What were you referring to, then?

Even if there was undeniable evidence for para-psychology (a view which the scientific mainstream does not hold), what evidence would you present for its connection to ancient human space colonisation?

But see my answer above (Radin) if you're still curious.

What are Radin's qualifications?

Wikipedia says he worked as a violinist, got an undergraduate and master's degree in electrical engineering, and a doctorate in educational psychology.

Ok, so nobody really teaches parapsychology. But still, an electrical engineer and an educational psychologist? I don't get how those qualifications could be relevant.

There are very good reasons for the obliviousness. We have just had around 500 years of reductionist, materialistic Science that denies the nature of consciousness.

Science will eventually cave in to the obvious. It has done so several times in the past.

If the "para-psychological phenomena" you describe is so obvious, why has it not been treated with seriousness by the scientific community? The only answer would be conspiracy theory.

Look at the UFO phenomenon that defies definition in reductionist Cartesian approaches.

That is not true. Most UFOs can be explained as known phenomena.

Some cases stand do out as odd or are unsolved. But they are exactly what the name implies: Unidentified Flying Objects. The word UFO does not automatically convey "alien spaceship" or "psychic".
 
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Jupiter: Ball of Gas. DEAD; Europa: Possible life-supporter
Saturn: Ball of Gas. DEAD; Titan: Possible life-supporter (It's life Jim, but not as we know it.)
Uranus: Ball of gas. DEAD
Neptune: Ball of gas. DEAD; Triton: Possible life-supporter
And everyone doing head count of the solar system forgets:
Earth: ALIVE

;)
 

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That's no excuse for extrapolating from a sample size of 1.

But also no excuse for removing anomalies from other sample sets without a good reason.
 

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That's no excuse for extrapolating from a sample size of 1.
No reason to dismiss it, either. The only meaningful things anyone can do is keep looking, or keep waiting for the people looking to find. :shrug:

As you quoted from Asimov earlier, there is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer.
 

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Hey, if there are aliens, do you think it will end up like "Independence Day"?

No, because Independance Day made no sense.

It was, after all, made by Roland Emmerich.

:shifty:
 

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HUDF

Just looking at the HUDF making me wonder how all this matter could exist in a space not larger than a pea. I struggle to understand the big bang theory.
 

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Just looking at the HUDF making me wonder how all this matter could exist in a space not larger than a pea. I struggle to understand the big bang theory.

The big bang theory, at best, is a simplistic and somewhat inaccurate portrayal of how things really are. Keep in mind, that according to the theory, space exploded into existence everywhere instantly. The movement of galaxies and matter we observe today is like a residual noise/motion that manifested itself after the so-called explosion.

The big bang theory does not address what happened before it happened!

It won't be possible for present-day humans to fully understand the genuine nature of the cosmos, even with the help of extra-terrestrials from another dimension or from outside our universe. Our brains are too limited. Too simple.
 

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Astrological records by the Maya are at least 4000 years old. And they did not predict the world to end. Their legends say that this world will not end at all (Contrary to the others, which had been destroyed by the creator god because he used the wrong material to create humans).

It's a little bit like the 640k memory quote from Bill Gates, which is something he did never say (one can't seriously expect him to be that narrow minded anyway). Or like the flat earth worldview myth. The earth being probably a big ball is widely recognized amongst scholars for many centuries already, and even before christ. The Greeks already were able to calculate the circumference of the earth quite accurately (by using the sun and the distance between two places which I can't remember yet).

What is often mistaken as en ending world is an ending Maya calendar I think. As far as I know, if a calendar ends a new one begins. No end of the world. But my knowledge of this is minor. All I read is that the Mayas predicting the end of the world is a myth.

The big bang theory, at best, is a simplistic and somewhat inaccurate portrayal of how things really are.

But amongst others it's the most accurate portrayal I think, based on observations. Most people I've heared criticising modern science and the big bang theory do not present an alternate rational theory.

It won't be possible for present-day humans to fully understand the genuine nature of the cosmos, even with the help of extra-terrestrials from another dimension or from outside our universe. Our brains are too limited. Too simple.

Simplicity is not what you discover when you look into the human brain and research it. It is one of the most, if not the most complex object in the universe. The human brain contains the capability to realize, analyse, understand and utilize the environment in which it is living, and even that one in which it is not living (space). It is likely that our brain contains all informations required to analyse and understand everything, if cultural and scientific progress permits. It's the time which is missing, not capabilities.

There was an era during which people dreamed about flying, but which was widely expected to be impossible in any case. And flying to the moon? People would have told you completely insane for believing in something like this. In 1936 the New York times still did write that a rocket will never be able to leave the Earth's atmosphere. While I am typing this on a machine which has a chip that is faster than any organic cell or organism, there is a permanently inhabited space station which orbits above my head every ~95 minutes, whilst there are thousands of airplanes in the lower layer of the stratosphere at the same time continuously, consisting of metall and flying with a speed just a little bit below the speed of sound...
 
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It's a little bit like the 640k memory quote from Bill Gates, which is something he did never say (one can't seriously expect him to be that narrow minded anyway).

Yes, he didn't... but somebody else did really say so. Does not make it better. AFAIR, Microsoft already worked on XMS and EMS to extend the memory of personal computers.

What is often mistaken as en ending world is an ending Maya calendar I think. As far as I know, if a calendar ends a new one begins. No end of the world. But my knowledge of this is minor. All I read is that the Mayas predicting the end of the world is a myth.

The still living Maya plan to celebrate a major religious fest on that day to celebrate the creation of the world, also it is a Venus transit which seems to happen synchronized with the Maya calendar (but that is not sure, just like we don't know about leap years, despite the Maya year having only 360 days)

The old Maya did also not plan to die in 2012. On one of their temples is an dedication to king Pacal and people will be still celebrating him during the 48th century. Well, maybe they had been a bit too enthusiastic there.
 

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2012 is the Maya Millennium Bug. Which sucks big time if you bought a computer from them.

Not really, they did not run out of digits yet. :lol: we go from 12.19.19.11.19 to the 13.0.0.0.0 in 2012. And they have still some digits left to add, if that is not a formatting issue. :lol:
 
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