Updates Boeing's CST-100 Starliner

If not, I am very concerned.
Me too, though after serving on the frontline in this battle for many years (product lifecycle management systems, formerly known as product data management systems), I have seen many ways to turn this into hell.
 
Another blow for CFT astronauts: NASA astronaut Sunita Williams might have to return to Earth without a spacesuit: Here’s why
Indian-origin NASA astronaut Sunita Williams along with astronaut Butch Wilmore is expected to return back to Earth without a spacesuit. Stuck in space since over 2 months, NASA has revealed that the biggest challenge they are facing is the incompatibility of spacesuits with SpaceX’s Dragon craft.
Although Crew Dragon is known for its reliability, I still fear that another Challenger is coming in its reentry avatar. I think there should be a universal spacesuit for the entire universe.
 
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I'm guessing the incompatibility is umbilicals and pressure, maybe in hindsight that should have been standardised on commercial crew. But they hype it up then get to the point in the final paragraph: a Crew-9 return, aka the plan, is a non-issue. The no suits thing would apply only until Crew-9 launches next month, and in the unlikely event they need an emergency departure before then (though leave it to Starliner to have the first evacuation ever in 20+ years of ISS happen now), I'd think they have bigger fish to fry than spacesuits, that is, no free seats on anything docked. What, are they gonna strap them down on Dragon's cargo racks?
 
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Starliner CFT: Before the Starliner departs, the station astronauts are expected to rig makeshift seating for Wilmore and Williams aboard the Crew 8 Dragon, which arrived at the ISS last March
How exactly do they "rig makeshift seating" on a Dragon? I've driven old pickup trucks with a milk crate for a seat and a screwdriver for a key, but I'd expect something a little more crash worthy for a space craft. Can they cannibalize seats from Starliner?
 
This is a continuing PR disaster for Boeing. If everything goes well for the autonomous return they might be able to limit PR damage to the program and do forensic analysis on the vessel and actual improve themselves. But if the thing loses control or does anything else untoward during that re-entry that leads to loss of or extreme damage to the vehicle, they are going to be in a world of hurt.
 
This is a continuing PR disaster for Boeing. If everything goes well for the autonomous return they might be able to limit PR damage to the program and do forensic analysis on the vessel and actual improve themselves. But if the thing loses control or does anything else untoward during that re-entry that leads to loss of or extreme damage to the vehicle, they are going to be in a world of hurt.
The thrusters in question are in the "service module" (or whatever it is called), that burns up in the atmosphere. The problem is that the deorbit burn and separation sequence are close together time wise, and that doesn't allow enough time for a thruster reconfiguration to work around any possible thruster degradation that might occur. The degradation is caused by overheating, from firing the thrusters themselves, or from firing the big engines that do the deorbit burn.
So they get back nothing to analyze, except data until service module sep.
 
I read that the Emergency return aboard Crew 8 would be unsuited for Wilmore and Williams.
 
I read that the Emergency return aboard Crew 8 would be unsuited for Wilmore and Williams.
It would seem that for any contingency on the ISS, they would need to go unsuited into the Crew 8 Dragon. They can't even use the Starliner as a shelter even in situations like potential debris hazard to the ISS because there is a possibility that the station could be damaged and they would actually need to separate and return to Earth. If they did this and the station lost pressurization, there would be no way for them to transfer over to the Dragon. At that point, they'd have to try to return to Earth on Starliner and hope it didn't kill them during the process.

Wasn't this mission supposed to be a crewed flight test of Starliner? NASA just assumed that it would be usable as a ISS lifeboat just like all the other operational crewed spacecraft. Nothing in their mission planning of this flight test allowed for the possibility of a failure that would make it impossible for the Starliner to return to Earth. Simply planning to send them with redundant SpaceX suits (or adapters for their Starliner suits) and formulating a contingency means to seat them properly in an available Crew Dragon would have eliminated the risk Wilmore and Williams face in the event of a major mishap on the ISS between now and the end of September.

Boeing really screwed up with Starliner, but this situation also shows that NASA really doesn't understand the difference between flight testing and operational missions and the difference in risk between the two. Everything in spaceflight comes down to probabilities and risk assessment, but they don't seem to think flight tests are any riskier than operational missions or need any special contingency planning, which is mind-boggling to me.
 
The test flight will end less complete than Gagarin's flight, 63 years ago...

Actually it will end as failed imho.
 
Actually it will end as failed imho.

It will at least be a mission failure, even if though I am sure, NASA and Boeing would like to count the unmanned reentry as partially successful completion of the mission, unless this fails as well. As @Thunder Chicken said, its not just Boeing, its about NASA too. And thats also why NASA isn't acting too hard on Boeing, as evidenced by the statements of the NASA director and his deputy yesterday.
 
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