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I went through the velcro manual about 20x, and I'm finally getting most of it.
Consequently I was able to stick the DGEX on a Nova booster, but that thing is huge.
I like the JupiterIII but it wasn't configured with an autopilot, plus I'm sorry but the DGEX hanging off the nose like that looks silly.
I started converting JupiterIII files to use the velcro module.
If all goes well the DGEX will be snug against the side of it, and it'll have autopilot.
I just have to figure out correct thrust values for the core stage, plus some mass values for different things (such as the external tanks, the top fairing, and the main stage itself).
Consequently I was able to stick the DGEX on a Nova booster, but that thing is huge.
I like the JupiterIII but it wasn't configured with an autopilot, plus I'm sorry but the DGEX hanging off the nose like that looks silly.
I started converting JupiterIII files to use the velcro module.
If all goes well the DGEX will be snug against the side of it, and it'll have autopilot.
I just have to figure out correct thrust values for the core stage, plus some mass values for different things (such as the external tanks, the top fairing, and the main stage itself).
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We in Czech Republic (and other continental european countries) use decimal comma instead of decimal dot.
265,650 t = 265 tons and 650 kg.
I knew I would confuse someone, but i was tired to edit that post :facepalm:
Pyromaniac605
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So you use the comma as decimal point? Does that mean that 10.000 = ten thousand to you? (No offense just curious)
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Actually, yes, I think it's safe to say that it's the other way around. However, you can only notice the decimal commas in hand-written stuff... I try to adjust but sometimes I forget 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark#Countries_using_Arabic_numerals_with_decimal_point
And we should get back on some kind of topic here :blink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark#Countries_using_Arabic_numerals_with_decimal_point
And we should get back on some kind of topic here :blink:
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@Keatah
No we can't put more power to the DGEX, the developer doesn't want it. He sayed that the DGEX is no space shuttle and want an airplane-like vessel which can transports very sensible payloads, very safe. You could walking through the DGEX while it ascends to orbit, thats not possible in any other DG or shuttle. So see it more as an spacegoing airplane than a pure spacecraft/spaceship, its a right spaceplane. On the other hand we can't have both today, strong thrust and low fuel consumption. So its relativ realistic to near/future tech with real interplanetary feasibility. All other DGs/shuttles are cheating vessels,sorry. Only if you configure the XR-DGs in rocket mode to Isp values of 4500-7200, then they are real. And then you have already trigol fuel with nuclear heating, with normal LOX/H2 burning you get only 4200m/s exhaust speed (3800 sea level -4500 vacuum). In all cases the main tank is empty in LEO. Is it that what you want for more thrust? The DGex can go to moon and mars and land there and coming back. Ok there are many other pure spaceships which can do the interplanetary travel faster, but they need landers and HLVs for a complet travel from surface to surface. Today we would need 4 kinds of vessels for a interplanetary travel. 1. HLV 2.support shuttle 3.interplanetary transfer stage 4. lander. The DGEX joints all in one ship, not so well like the called 4 specialists, but hes a nice compromise and would safe alot developing costs in real.
No we can't put more power to the DGEX, the developer doesn't want it. He sayed that the DGEX is no space shuttle and want an airplane-like vessel which can transports very sensible payloads, very safe. You could walking through the DGEX while it ascends to orbit, thats not possible in any other DG or shuttle. So see it more as an spacegoing airplane than a pure spacecraft/spaceship, its a right spaceplane. On the other hand we can't have both today, strong thrust and low fuel consumption. So its relativ realistic to near/future tech with real interplanetary feasibility. All other DGs/shuttles are cheating vessels,sorry. Only if you configure the XR-DGs in rocket mode to Isp values of 4500-7200, then they are real. And then you have already trigol fuel with nuclear heating, with normal LOX/H2 burning you get only 4200m/s exhaust speed (3800 sea level -4500 vacuum). In all cases the main tank is empty in LEO. Is it that what you want for more thrust? The DGex can go to moon and mars and land there and coming back. Ok there are many other pure spaceships which can do the interplanetary travel faster, but they need landers and HLVs for a complet travel from surface to surface. Today we would need 4 kinds of vessels for a interplanetary travel. 1. HLV 2.support shuttle 3.interplanetary transfer stage 4. lander. The DGEX joints all in one ship, not so well like the called 4 specialists, but hes a nice compromise and would safe alot developing costs in real.
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HI guys, my two cents, I use the jupiterIII DGEX addon, with the Universal autopilot from artLav,and it works great puts you in a perfect orbit ECC at .0 unreallisitic thou,but it works like a charm.
I finished my crude 1st attempt at adapting JupiterIIIx to use the Velcro Rockets addon.
I made new config files and used the existing meshes, but I have run into a couple issues.
So this does get into a stable orbit.
But...the DGEX never has any fuel when it's jettisoned from the core launcher. I doubled checked the PAYLOAD string and it has 1.0 at the end, but still no fuel.
I also had issues using the FAIRING string to get rid of the top white fairing and the two external tanks (listed as fairings...couldn't figure out any other way to stick them on the main stage). At first I set the static pressure at 0.5 as a point to jettison the fairings, but I kept getting a CTD.
So instead I subbed in the SLA string which seems to work ok.
Other then that, I hacked and slashed .cfg coding from Velcro Energia to create the Jupiter3 .cfg files, so some of it probably isn't correct for the Jupiter rocket, but I changed what I could.
Yes I did borrow the modified DGEX fairing to stick on the top of this thing, only because the other fairing I could find, although pointed at the tip is really long and I wanted to keep the shape small and compact.
If anyone wants to tweak this feel free. I think I've gone as far as I can with the limited coding knowledge I have. I'm surprised I got this far really.
DGEX and Jupiter3 Velcro Test
(Velcro Rockets is required)
I made new config files and used the existing meshes, but I have run into a couple issues.
So this does get into a stable orbit.
But...the DGEX never has any fuel when it's jettisoned from the core launcher. I doubled checked the PAYLOAD string and it has 1.0 at the end, but still no fuel.
I also had issues using the FAIRING string to get rid of the top white fairing and the two external tanks (listed as fairings...couldn't figure out any other way to stick them on the main stage). At first I set the static pressure at 0.5 as a point to jettison the fairings, but I kept getting a CTD.
So instead I subbed in the SLA string which seems to work ok.
Other then that, I hacked and slashed .cfg coding from Velcro Energia to create the Jupiter3 .cfg files, so some of it probably isn't correct for the Jupiter rocket, but I changed what I could.
Yes I did borrow the modified DGEX fairing to stick on the top of this thing, only because the other fairing I could find, although pointed at the tip is really long and I wanted to keep the shape small and compact.
If anyone wants to tweak this feel free. I think I've gone as far as I can with the limited coding knowledge I have. I'm surprised I got this far really.
DGEX and Jupiter3 Velcro Test
(Velcro Rockets is required)
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River Crab
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Wow, we're looking at a whole different depiction of the DGEX here!
A bit like the realistic Ravenstar mod, except that it can't go all the way, since the DGEX's systems are hardcoded into the source... :dry:
I guess if it were too easy to change the config, frustrated novices would give up on ascent, crank up the Isp, and end up defeating the point of the flying-to-orbit part...
Still, I can't help but wish for such configuration option now...it would make the DGEX like two vessels in one.
Also, I'd make a shorter fairing mesh if I had the time to figure it out, but I don't...
A bit like the realistic Ravenstar mod, except that it can't go all the way, since the DGEX's systems are hardcoded into the source... :dry:
I guess if it were too easy to change the config, frustrated novices would give up on ascent, crank up the Isp, and end up defeating the point of the flying-to-orbit part...
Still, I can't help but wish for such configuration option now...it would make the DGEX like two vessels in one.
Also, I'd make a shorter fairing mesh if I had the time to figure it out, but I don't...
Apparently the no fuel issue isn't just with this hack 'n slash job I taped together.
I stuck an XR2 to Energia and after jettison the XR2 had 0 main fuel.
Going to try a reinstall.
*edit*
Fresh install. Only added sound, velcro rockets, and XR2.
Stuck it again to Energia.
This was the result.
Plus, it had no fuel on jettison after orbit was reached.
I'm thinking this has to do with a compatibility issue between Orbiter2010 and Velcro Rockets?
Anyways, looks like DGEX and velcro won't work together, or any ship and velcro for that matter, unless I'm completely missing something.
I stuck an XR2 to Energia and after jettison the XR2 had 0 main fuel.
Going to try a reinstall.
*edit*
Fresh install. Only added sound, velcro rockets, and XR2.
Stuck it again to Energia.
This was the result.
Plus, it had no fuel on jettison after orbit was reached.
I'm thinking this has to do with a compatibility issue between Orbiter2010 and Velcro Rockets?
Anyways, looks like DGEX and velcro won't work together, or any ship and velcro for that matter, unless I'm completely missing something.
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River Crab
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Well, the reason the XR2's mesh is messed up is because it's encrypted, the vessel dll must be active to decode the mesh. So, it won't show before it's released-workaround is to put another XR2 somewhere else in the scenario.
Anyway, only the XR2 does this, AFAIK.
Anyway, only the XR2 does this, AFAIK.
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Why is the XR2 being discussed now? Back on topic: I am currently working on attaching some boosters to the DG-EX. That way it can keep its airplane takeoff but still reach orbit with lots of fuel left over. I'll put a picture up when i get on my pc.
I used it to test the fuel issue on jettison I had with DGEX and Velcro, which I stated in my post.
I also came back to the DGEX at the end of that post..
Anyway, I solved the no fuel issue by attaching the DGEX on the Jupiter3 using Velcro a different way.
Instead of listing it as a payload I used a SERIESBURN line so the scenario loads it along with the Jupiter at launch, not just at MECO.
I'll post a link a little later after I package it up again.
*edit*
I uploaded the Jupiter3/DGEX package to Orbiter Hanger. Just awaiting approval, then I'll post the link here.
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Oh ok. Sorry about that then. I'll check out the scenario. Sounds cool.
Well then maybe somebody could make a 1 pixel-sized velcro rocket or add-on booster that attaches inside the landing gear or something. That way we can still turbo-blast our way into orbit in 2 minutes. These 45 minute scenic ascents orbital yoga classes are ridiculous!
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Uh, I hate to be blunt, but that big flat spot on top isn't exactly aerodynamic...
Pyromaniac605
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Isn't the DGEX supposed to be on top of the rocket?
It looks that way to me. :shrug:
Darren
It looks that way to me. :shrug:
Darren
Sigh. I wish people would read.
My limited coding knowledge also includes 3D mesh modeling.
You guys want a short pointed fairing, be my guest. Or you can always sub in the other fairing that comes with JupiterIII.
I got the thing to use the velcro module, which in my opinion is a lot easier to work with then multistage when you want to change something.
