Poll Pick the colours for an alien world

Which colour scheme looks nicer?

  • Red vegetation

    Votes: 8 29.6%
  • Blue vegetation

    Votes: 10 37.0%
  • Green vegetation

    Votes: 6 22.2%
  • Pink vegetation

    Votes: 1 3.7%
  • Cyan vegetation

    Votes: 5 18.5%
  • Yellow vegetation

    Votes: 7 25.9%

  • Total voters
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Artlav

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Imagine that you are on an alien planet (or, actually, an alien with different eyes on our planet).
Which colour scheme do you find the most appealing?

All are false-colour sets for wavelengths from 400nm to 1100nm, sorted in more-or-less decreasing-realism order.

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Well it depends... If your are on a planet orbiting a red dwarf you could expect vegetation to be black. If your are orbiting a bright K star you could expect your vegetation to orange. If you are orbiting a g star you could expect plants to be green. And if your are orbiting anything above a dim F than expect there to be no plants at all.
 

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Well it depends... If your are on a planet orbiting a red dwarf you could expect vegetation to be black. If your are orbiting a bright K star you could expect your vegetation to orange. If you are orbiting a g star you could expect plants to be green. And if your are orbiting anything above a dim F than expect there to be no plants at all.

What are those predictions based on? Do we even know of a chlorophyll equivalent that has peak absorption in, for example, IR wavelengths? The frequency makeup of the incident radiation also depends a lot on the precise radiation profile of the star as well as the atmosphere of the planet. And even then, the incident radiation profile may not be correlated to the colour of the plants at all. We still don't understand why plants on Earth are green as opposed to black - which would allow a more efficient absorption spectrum. There are just a ton more variables than the type of the star alone.
 

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Well, if we assume some functional similarities, and a planet with a hotter Sun, then we might shift the absorption spectra of photosynthetic stuff up.

Our absorb in red and blue/UVA.
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So we make the new one absorb in NIR/red/green and UVA/UVB.
Stealing an idea from Hal Clement, let's replace the Oxygen with Sulphur, giving nice yellow tinted sky.

Then it would look like that:
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Or, correcting for poll favourite, like that:
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A bush up close.
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And with the Sun behind. Greener tint in the counter-sun sky.
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Hm, while it is sufficiently alien, somehow it does not feel right.
 

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Well, if we assume some functional similarities, and a planet with a hotter Sun, then we might shift the absorption spectra of photosynthetic stuff up.

Surely you mean colder? All else being equal, a hotter black body has an emission spectrum shifted towards lower wavelengths.
 

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Surely you mean colder? All else being equal, a hotter black body has an emission spectrum shifted towards lower wavelengths.
Huh?
The hotter the star, the shorter the wavelengths (i.e towards the blue and UV), no?
And if the star blazes higher-energy light, it makes sense to use it, shifting the absorption into the UVs.

What if it's colder, say around a red dwarf...
The the reflectance could move towards red instead.

Instead of the Planet of Azure, we'd get Red Planet.
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And, correcting for the spectrum of a red dwarf:
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No idea what the air would be, oxygen or fluorine maybe?
 

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Yes, that's correct. I'm confused as to how that affects the colour of the plants, however - the colour of the leaves represents the reflected spectrum, ie, stuff they don't absorb, correct?
 

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I'm confused as to how that affects the colour of the plants, however - the colour of the leaves represents the reflected spectrum, ie, stuff they don't absorb, correct?
Correct.
Ours absorb the blue and red, leaving green and NIR.
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The colour is better described by reflectance and transmittance, which are medium in green and high in NIR and most of SWIR.
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So, assuming the same pattern, we can shift this spectrum up or down, getting either the planet of azures near a hot star, or the crimson world near a red dwarf.
Lacking the data on actual extraterrestrial photosynthetic compounds, that assumption is as good as any.

Or i can just pick the filters based on what looks nicer. :)
 

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Well it depends... If your are on a planet orbiting a red dwarf you could expect vegetation to be black. If your are orbiting a bright K star you could expect your vegetation to orange. If you are orbiting a g star you could expect plants to be green. And if your are orbiting anything above a dim F than expect there to be no plants at all.

You got your stars mixed up.
Oh, Be A Fine Girl, Kiss Me. O, B, A, F, G, K, M
O are hot, bright, rare and live a fast life.
M are small, dim, common and live very long.
 

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Earth's sky, the scatter of blue light.

Here is a 4Mb GIF going from 950nm to 450nm:
http://orbides.1gb.ru/img/spectrum.gif

So, you can't get blue trees and blue sky just by false colour mixing - they are on the opposite ends of the range.

You can however just scale the whole range into our visible, getting nice red vegetation under the familiar blue sky:
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The scaling can also be done a little bit different, with blue side compressed.
That produce pinker image, and would represent what an alien would see on Earth if he had the eyes that see NIR, but barely see blue.
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The sky is about the same in tone, but darker.
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Well it depends... If your are on a planet orbiting a red dwarf you could expect vegetation to be black. If your are orbiting a bright K star you could expect your vegetation to orange. If you are orbiting a g star you could expect plants to be green. And if your are orbiting anything above a dim F than expect there to be no plants at all.

Well, actually, for a G class I'd more expect the vegetation to be purple than green. Green vegetation is actually sub-optimal for our sun as it reflects the range in which we receive the most radiation. (It's even stranger, because certain microorganisms on Earth actually use purple pigments for photosynthesis, so it's not just a matter of the right pigment not existing).

So I'm not sure you can really predict the colors of photosynthetic pigment you'd get just from the color of light you have available.
 

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certain microorganisms on Earth actually use purple pigments for photosynthesis
Well, rhodopsin photosynthesis is a distinctly different reaction, and it does not recycle carbon dioxide freeing up O2.

Thus, it seems that this form of photosynthesis didn't survive the evolution for lack of a complementary breathing reaction - it does not form the big cycle of life.

No idea if such a complementary reaction even exist, but if it did the life on Earth could have been so completely different from what we have now.
Maybe just a little similar to the last two images.
 

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What are those predictions based on? Do we even know of a chlorophyll equivalent that has peak absorption in, for example, IR wavelengths?
Melanin

The frequency makeup of the incident radiation also depends a lot on the precise radiation profile of the star as well as the atmosphere of the planet.
Well early plants evolved on a planet with an atmosphere far different from the atmosphere we have now.

And even then, the incident radiation profile may not be correlated to the color of the plants at all.
Are trees located at higher latitudes darker than their cousins at the equator?

We still don't understand why plants on Earth are green as opposed to black - which would allow a more efficient absorption spectrum.
Maybe its because darker pigments require more material to produce or more specialized processes are required to make it.
 

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[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytochrome"]Phytochrome[/ame] is a plant photoreceptor pigment that responds to far-red light.

I think a prime example of why plant colour is a more complex issue than available wavelengths and photopigment is the question "why aren't plants black?".

Perhaps it is simply because black plants would be at higher risk of injury from exposure to UV rays or temperature differences over the course of a day. Perhaps it is because the maximum efficiency of photosynthesis is determined by the chlorophyll inside the plant or some other biological mechanism, and decreasing the albedo would do little to increase it- while leading to a higher potential of the aformentioned negative effects occuring.

Of course in this case, why are we even talking about 'plants'? One would expect that on an alien world, wholly alien kingdoms of life would arise, which could have more in common with fungi or animals than plants, or could be quite unlike either. Even on Earth, the role of "thing that does photosynthesis" isn't limited to plants- lichens are a weird symbiotic relationship between fungal and algal partners. In certain parts of the ocean, the role of a sessile photosynthesiser is taken up not by plants, but by corals- colonies of cnidarian animals. They're not even the organism doing the actual photosynthesis- that role is performed by the symbiotic algae (or zooxanthellae) they contain. Corals are quite colourful.

Even more "plant like" organisms are not in fact plants- kelp is a member of the kingdom [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromalveolata"]chromalveolata[/ame]. The [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_algae"]red algae[/ame] are also a fairly interesting group.

On Earth, a planet orbiting a G-class star, there are multiple different photosynthesisers, photopigments, and colorations present. Perhaps the success of a group of photosynthesisers (and thus the predominant colour of the vegetation) depends on the physiological adaptations of the group as a whole, rather than photopigment alone- in that case an organism with a less efficient photopigment (either overall or in regards to the local available spectrum) might become more successful and diverse than a more efficient photosynthesiser.

Even then, chlorophyll isn't the only pigment in plants on Earth- plants also contain carotenoids (carotenoids are what colour carrots orange, tomatoes red, and flamingoes pink). The carotenoids in leaves are visible when the chlorophyll content drops, such as during autumn before leaves fall from trees.

Then there's also structural colour; it may not do anything for photosynthesis, but it does affect the appearance of the plant. In IR photographs, broad-leaved plants typically have a very bright appearance;

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This is not due to some sort of pigment in the leaves that is highly reflective to IR, but rather because the leaves contain minute air pockets that reflect light (in a manner similar to how foam or snow appears white). The needles of coniferous trees are denser, and thus appear darker in IR images;

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As for stellar class, blue stars are less common than Sol and shorter lived, which makes them unlikely as a home for (native) complex life.

Personally, a lot of Artlav's image manipulations, while surreal, are too 'technicolour' for me. But I must say that aside from green, I definitely have a preference for purple plants- but that is probably just because I come from a city where they line the streets. :lol:

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Just thought I'd add a few thoughts about what pigments you may find in ET "plants". On earth, pigment choice is not well related to the sun's spectral output - chlorophyll's weakest absorption is where the sun emits most strongly. Indeed, in the arsenal of earthly photosynthetic pigments, ones which absorb near the suns peak output are few and far between. Moreover, peak output isn't necessarily where you want to absorb. More energy can be extracted from higher-energy photons (i.e. blue/UV) than from lower-energy ones (i.e. red/yellow); meaning an off-peak blue-shifted pigment may be superior to one whose absorption is dead on a stars peak output.

You also need to consider the planet - if heavily clouded (perhaps with sulphur or something else exotic), the wavelengths let through by the clouds may be a stronger determinant than the stars peak output.

On earth, what seems to determine pigment "choice" is factors other than optimizing absorption - some (bacterial) pigments are O2 sensitive, and thus are more common in low-O2 environments. Many require metal ions, and thus are rare in environments low in the required metals. Others appear in regions with high UV; likely to protect UV-sensitive pigments like chlorophyll.

A incredibly comprehensive (and well referenced) resource for xenobiology, including photosynthesis and various plausible options, can be found here.

The take-home message is the "plants" can be any colour you like; if you want to rationalize a non-peak absorption pigment scientifically you simply need to find an evolutionary pressure for the of-peak colour. This has happened time-and-time again on earth; no reason why it wouldn't happen elsewhere.

Bryan

PS: I like the orange in the original series
 
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