Request SpaceShipOne for Orbiter2010P1?

[gattispilot]

Not sure. I can put the HUD display on the VC where it covers the entire front, looking forward.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71242599/SPACESHIPONE.zip

Try this. Should be the same keys. The only difference is when you release from White knight. You will need to switch F3 to SS1A and press J that will allow the data from SS1 to appear otherwise it appears all the time

 

[rct3master44]

The SSO is great!I'm so happy to finally fly it!
All of the functions work,the WK flies perfectly,and the SSO is AWSOME:thumbup:!!!!

Thanks so much gattispilot!

 

[4throck]

Gave it a quick test. Here's my feedback:

- WK1 can fly up to 40km.... it seems a little bit too high. And speeds up extremely above ~10kms. In short, it performs more like a rocket, not as plane.

-SS1 spins uncontrollably after release. Since I released it at 40km and going really fast, it might be just like that.

So I'd try to get WK1 with a more realistic performance.

Otherwise, it's looks good in general.

 

[Urwumpe]

-SS1 spins uncontrollably after release. Since I released it at 40km and going really fast, it might be just like that.

Sounds realistic considering how the real one was rolling during ascent. :lol:

 

[asbjos]

This is amazing, Gattispilot! Fantastic work, I really enjoy the fast trips to space and down again.

One little bug, though: with SpaceShipOne, when I press num1 or num3, it plays with my gear too, when pressing num1, the gear retracts and when pressing num3 it deploys, even when I haven't extended it yet.

And the liftoff from the runway with White Knight: my craft doesn't want to leave the runway and pitch up before the speed has reached 250 m/s (900 km/h). Is it supposed to be so hard to take off?

 

[gattispilot]

Thanks. On the gear I can/will fix that. On the lift off. Not so sure. Basically what I did on the code part was to copy and paste the info into a current c and h that had ummu and sound 4.0. So the thrust and lift should be the same as the original. But I will check the data. I can run the old one in Orbiter2006 and see when it lifts off.

Should I add a HUD and if so where in the VC?

 

[4throck]

Gattis, I figured that you didn't change the values, just updated the code :thumbup:

Nevertheless, since you are working on it, the Wikipedia page has some data on WK1: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_White_Knight"]Scaled Composites White Knight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
You can check masses and engines from there.

You can cross reference with this document: http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Scaled+Composites.pdf


Supposedly it takes WK1 one hour to ascent to ~16km but on my test it took a few minutes to reach ~40km....

 

[gattispilot]

Thanks. I will look over the specs. On the HUD on the VC. I can make it fit like the non vc so you get the mfd and VC. Right now there is no HUD for the VC.

---------- Post added at 04:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:07 AM ----------

Fixed the Spaceship one animation. I need to parent the wing as the rudder and elevator are part on it.

On the WhiteKnight:
this is what is there

const double FIRST_PROP_MASS	= 2900;		//(kg)
const double WK_DRYMASS			= 1200;		//(kg)
const double THRUST_ENGINE      = 2*16921.7;//2*11921.7;  //(N) //195700.0/4.0;
PROPELLANT_HANDLE ph_first = CreatePropellantResource (FIRST_PROP_MASS);

//thruster made
	th_first[0] = CreateThruster( _V(-1,0.1,-5), _V(0,0,1), THRUST_ENGINE, ph_first, ISPgood);
	th_first[1] = CreateThruster( _V( 1,0.1,-5), _V(0,0,1), THRUST_ENGINE, ph_first, ISPgood);

From the article:
Fuel capacity: 6,400 lb (2,900 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J85-GE-5 after-burning turbojet, 2,400 lbf (11 kN) thrust each dry, 3,600 lbf (16 kN) with afterburner

Doesn't it match up?

 

[Urwumpe]

Afterburner thrust would only be used during lift-off, otherwise, it would be out of fuel in minutes. The 27 g fuel per kN and second are for dry thrust, without afterburner.
(Specific impulse would be 1/0.000027 = 37037 m/s)

 

[gattispilot]

const double FIRST_PROP_MASS	= 2900;		//(kg)
const double WK_DRYMASS			= 1200;		//(kg)
const double THRUST_ENGINE      = 2*16921.7;//2*11921.7;  //(N) //195700.0/4.0;
// Interface for derived vessel class: QJBStar
// ==========================================================
const double  ISPgood           = 12000*SEC;

This is what is set for ISP. So should I use the non afterburner 2*11921.7?

Also I think this is right. the wing on Spaceship 1 is the parent. So that when the wing is moving the rudder and elevator correct.

		ANIMATIONCOMPONENT_HANDLE parent;
//wing is parent

	  static UINT groups3[8] = {2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}; // Feather system..
static MGROUP_ROTATE WING ( 0, groups3 , 8, _V( 0,0.3,-0.65),         _V(1,0,0), (float) (32.5*RAD) );

 static UINT groups3A[8] = {2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}; // Feather system..
static MGROUP_ROTATE WING1	( 1, groups3A , 8, _V( 0,0.3,-0.65),         _V(1,0,0), (float) (32.5*RAD) );



anim_WING = CreateAnimation (0); 

   parent = AddAnimationComponent  (anim_WING, 0, 1, &WING);
   parent = AddAnimationComponent  (anim_WING, 0, 1, &WING1);

   static UINT RUDDERGrp1[2] = {6,7};
   
   RUDDER1 = new MGROUP_ROTATE (0,RUDDERGrp1, 2, _V(3.137 , .499311, -3.544089), _V(0,1,0), (float)(50*RAD));

      static UINT RUDDERGrp2[2] = {4,3};
   
   RUDDER2 = new MGROUP_ROTATE (0,RUDDERGrp2, 2, _V(-3.137 , .499311, -3.544089), _V(0,1,0), (float)(50*RAD));

 anim_RUDDER = CreateAnimation (0.5);

   AddAnimationComponent  (anim_RUDDER, 0, 1, RUDDER1,parent);
   AddAnimationComponent  (anim_RUDDER, 0, 1, RUDDER2,parent);

So Anim_rudder is the child

 

[gattispilot]

Fixed the animation and added rudder and elevator on the SS1. One last thing. Where should and how big the HUD on the VC for both?

 

[gattispilot]

On the HUD for a VC. I found I had to make it small otherwise the white ring with controls make the green hud to see.

But I have run into a problem. Only a portion of the HUd shows up. Not the entire HUD



This is what size the HUD mesh group is.

This is what I see

Maybe NO HUd?

SetCameraDefaultDirection(_V(0,0,1));
   SetCameraOffset(_V(0,0.5,5));
   SetCameraShiftRange(_V(0,0,0.1),_V(-0.2,0,0),_V(0.2,0,0));
   oapiVCSetNeighbours(-1,-1,-1,-1);

   hud.nmesh=1;
   hud.ngroup=28;
   hud.hudcnt=_V(0, .5, 5.75);
   hud.size=.09;
   oapiVCRegisterHUD(&hud);
   mfd.ngroup=24;
   mfd.nmesh=1;
   oapiVCRegisterMFD(0,&mfd);
   mfd.ngroup=25;
   mfd.nmesh=1;
   oapiVCRegisterMFD(1,&mfd);

Using meshwizard the height of the hud is .097

---------- Post added at 09:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:02 PM ----------

New file. No HUD use the Surface MFD in VC
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71242599/SPACESHIPONE_1.zip

 

[gattispilot]

Ok. I added if the throttle is above 95% then the afterburner applied.

But I wonder how much fuel it should use.

const double THRUST_ENGINE      = 2*11921.7;//2*11921.7;  //(N) //195700.0/4.0;
const double THRUSTAB_ENGINE      = 2*5000;//2*11921.7;  //(N) //195700.0/4.0;

Fuel capacity: 6,400 lb (2,900 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J85-GE-5 after-burning turbojet, 2,400 lbf (11 kN) thrust each dry, 3,600 lbf (16 kN) with afterburner

 

[Loru]

Specific fuel consumption: 0.96 - 0.97 lb/(lbf·h) (27 g/kN·s).

I'd estimate exhaust velocity (ISP x 9.81) at 39 000 m/s each

 

[gattispilot]

Ok. but I thought the AB thrust amount is the AB amount-main thrust.

Fuel capacity: 6,400 lb (2,900 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J85-GE-5 after-burning turbojet, 2,400 lbf (11 kN) thrust each dry, 3,600 lbf (16 kN) with afterburner

So AB+ Main is 16kn So AB thrust is 5KN 16-11?

So

const double FIRST_PROP_MASS	= 2900;		//(kg)
const double WK_DRYMASS			= 1200;		//(kg)
const double THRUST_ENGINE      = 2*16921.7;//2*11921.7;  //(N) //195700.0/4.0;
const double THRUSTAB_ENGINE      = 2*12000;//2*11921.7;  //(N) //195700.0/4.0;

// Interface for derived vessel class: QJBStar
// ==========================================================
const double  ISPgood           = 12000*SEC;

The fuel mass is 2900kg

So

th_first[0] = CreateThruster( _V(-1,0.1,-5), _V(0,0,1), THRUST_ENGINE, ph_first, ISPgood);
	th_first[1] = CreateThruster( _V( 1,0.1,-5), _V(0,0,1), THRUST_ENGINE, ph_first, ISPgood);

	th_first[2] = CreateThruster( _V(-1,0.1,-5), _V(0,0,1), THRUSTAB_ENGINE, ph_first, ISPgood);
	th_first[3] = CreateThruster( _V( 1,0.1,-5), _V(0,0,1), THRUSTAB_ENGINE, ph_first, ISPgood);

But I would think that the afterburner would only last for so long. I guess that would be the fuel amount. Right now it draws from the same amount.

 

[4throck]

Some details about the performance and operation of WK1 may be found here:

http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone_test_logs/39


For me, what's important is the get to the right separation altitude in roughly the right time. That would mean that both speed and climb rate of the WK1 are OK. The amount of fuel left or performance at hight altitude is not that important, because after separation we will be controlling SS1 !

 

[gattispilot]

And are they?

 

[Yurik]

Orbited WK1 :rofl: , there limit lift height at all? How to separate from WK1 spaceship?

 

[asbjos]

Orbited WK1 :rofl: , there limit lift height at all? How to separate from WK1 spaceship?

It uses the same keys as the [ame="http://orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=1897"]SpaceShipOne-addon by Scrooge McDuck[/ame] (which it is base upon), so you should read it's manual before use.

For jettison of the SpaceShipOne you have to press Ctrl+J in the White Knight, and go to the space ship and press J to activate sound and systems.

 

[Cosmic Penguin]

Bumping this thread since I'm trying to fly this....

It works, but it seems that the feathering animation isn't working in D3D9. Can someone test the version posted by gattispilot in post #32 and see if that works? :shrug: