Is the exploration of space necessary,

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when the world has so many problems of its own that need sorting?

I like the idea of exploring space and things like that, just I see an increasing number of people saying that it is all a waste of money, when we should all be trying to sort out hunger and poverty. What is it about space exploration that makes it so worthwhile.
 
These problems will always be there. Those people who like to say it's all a waste of money, they can make an example by giving up widescreen TVs, computers, game consoles, the internet, SUVs and live with the strict necessary, while giving out the rest to charity.
 
when the world has so many problems of its own that need sorting?

I like the idea of exploring space and things like that, just I see an increasing number of people saying that it is all a waste of money, when we should all be trying to sort out hunger and poverty. What is it about space exploration that makes it so worthwhile.

The answer is one word: Science. Studying the matter, the fabric of the Universe. In space, it's found in states unimaginable on Earth. Since we are aware that there is a big world that is beyond our small fish tank's glass, we must take every effort to explore this world. Better knowledge gives us a focus. And a day may come when we are able to exit our fragile fish tank into the big world.

In the meantime, some of the science we can get there will help to improve things at home.
 
A voice from the wilderness... well, later. But from the past.

Your letter was one of many which are reaching me every day, but it has touched me more deeply than all the others because it came so much from the depths of a searching mind and a compassionate heart. I will try to answer your question as best as I possibly can. First, however, I would like to express my great admiration for you, and for all your many brave sisters, because you are dedicating your lives to the noblest cause of man: help for his fellowmen who are in need.
You asked in your letter how I could suggest the expenditures of billions of dollars for a voyage to Mars, at a time when many children on this earth are starving to death. I know that you do not expect an answer such as "Oh, I did not know that there are children dying from hunger, but from now on I will desist from any kind of space research until mankind has solved that problem!" In fact, I have known of famined children long before I knew that a voyage to the planet Mars is technically feasible. However, I believe, like many of my friends, that travelling to the Moon and eventually to Mars and to other planets is a venture which we should undertake now, and I even believe that this project, in the long run, will contribute more to the solution of these grave problems we are facing here on earth than many other potential projects of help which are debated and discussed year after year, and which are so extremely slow in yielding tangible results.
Before trying to describe in more detail how our space program is contributing to the solution of our earthly problems, I would like to relate briefly a supposedly true story, which may help support the argument. About 400 years ago, there lived a count in a small town in Germany. He was one of the benign counts, and he gave a large part of his income to the poor in his town. This was much appreciated, because poverty was abundant during medieval times, and there were epidemics of the plague which ravaged the country frequently. One day, the count met a strange man. He had a workbench and little laboratory in his house, and he labored hard during the daytime so that he could afford a few hours every evening to work in his laboratory. He ground small lenses from pieces of glass; he mounted the lenses in tubes, and he used these gadgets to look at very small objects. The count was particularly fascinated by the tiny creatures that could be observed with the strong magnification, and which he had never seen before. He invited the man to move with his laboratory to the castle, to become a member of the count's household, and to devote henceforth all his time to the development and perfection of his optical gadgets as a special employee of the count.
The townspeople, however, became angry when they realized that the count was wasting his money, as they thought, on a stunt without purpose. "We are suffering from this plague" they said, "while he is paying that man for a useless hobby!" But the count remained firm. "I give you as much as I can afford," he said, "but I will also support this man and his work, because I know that someday something will come out of it!"
Indeed, something very good came out of this work, and also out of similar work done by others at other places: the microscope. It is well known that the microscope has contributed more than any other invention to the progress of medicine, and that the elimination of the plague and many other contagious diseases from most parts of the world is largely a result of studies which the microscope made possible.
The count, by retaining some of his spending money for research and discovery, contributed far more to the relief of human suffering than he could have contributed by giving all he could possibly spare to his plague-ridden community.
The situation which we are facing today is similar in many respects. The President of the United States is spending about 200 billion dollars in his yearly budget. This money goes to health, education, welfare, urban renewal, highways, transportation, foreign aid, defense, conservation, science, agriculture and many installations inside and outside the country. About 1.6 percent of this national budget was allocated to space exploration this year. The space program includes Project Apollo, and many other smaller projects in space physics, space astronomy, space biology, planetary projects, earth resources projects, and space engineering. To make this expenditure for the space program possible, the average American taxpayer with 10,000 dollars income per year is paying about 30 tax dollars for space. The rest of his income, 9,970 dollars, remains for his subsistence, his recreation, his savings, his other taxes, and all his other expenditures.
You will probably ask now: "Why don't you take 5 or 3 or 1 dollar out of the 30 space dollars which the average American taxpayer is paying, and send these dollars to the hungry children?" To answer this question, I have to explain briefly how the economy of this country works. The situation is very similar in other countries. The government consists of a number of departments (Interior, Justice, Health, Education and Welfare, Transportation, Defense, and others) and the bureaus (National Science Foundation, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, and others). All of them prepare their yearly budgets according to their assigned missions, and each of them must defend its budget against extremely severe screening by congressional committees, and against heavy pressure for economy from the Bureau of the Budget and the President. When the funds are finally appropriated by Congress, they can be spent only for the line items specified and approved in the budget.
The budget of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, naturally, can contain only items directly related to aeronautics and space. If this budget were not approved by Congress, the funds proposed for it would not be available for something else; they would simply not be levied from the taxpayer, unless one of the other budgets had obtained approval for a specific increase which would then absorb the funds not spent for space. You realize from this brief discourse that support for hungry children, or rather a support in addition to what the United States is already contributing to this very worthy cause in the form of foreign aid, can be obtained only if the appropriate department submits a budget line item for this purpose, and if this line item is then approved by Congress.
You may ask now whether I personally would be in favor of such a move by our government. My answer is an emphatic yes. Indeed, I would not mind at all if my annual taxes were increased by a number of dollars for the purpose of feeding hungry children, wherever they may live.
I know that all of my friends feel the same way. However, we could not bring such a program to life merely by desisting from making plans for voyages to Mars. On the contrary, I even believe that by working for the space program I can make some contribution to the relief and eventual solution of such grave problems as poverty and hunger on earth. Basic to the hunger problem are two functions: the production of food and the distribution of food. Food production by agriculture, cattle ranching, ocean fishing and other large-scale operations is efficient in some parts of the world, but drastically deficient in many others. For example, large areas of land could be utilized far better if efficient methods of watershed control, fertilizer use, weather forecasting, fertility assessment, plantation programming, field selection, planting habits, timing of cultivation, crop survey and harvest planning were applied.
The best tool for the improvement of all these functions, undoubtedly, is the artificial earth satellite. Circling the globe at a high altitude, it can screen wide areas of land within a short time; it can observe and measure a large variety of factors indicating the status and condition of crops, soil, droughts, rainfall, snow cover, etc., and it can radio this information to ground stations for appropriate use. It has been estimated that even a modest system of earth satellites equipped with earth resources, sensors, working within a program for worldwide agricultural improvements, will increase the yearly crops by an equivalent of many billions of dollars.
The distribution of the food to the needy is a completely different problem. The question is not so much one of shipping volume, it is one of international cooperation. The ruler of a small nation may feel very uneasy about the prospect of having large quantities of food shipped into his country by a large nation, simply because he fears that along with the food there may also be an import of influence and foreign power. Efficient relief from hunger, I am afraid, will not come before the boundaries between nations have become less divisive than they are today. I do not believe that space flight will accomplish this miracle over night. However, the space program is certainly among the most promising and powerful agents working in this direction.
Let me only remind you of the recent near-tragedy of Apollo 13. When the time of the crucial reentry of the astronauts approached, the Soviet Union discontinued all Russian radio transmissions in the frequency bands used by the Apollo Project in order to avoid any possible interference, and Russian ships stationed themselves in the Pacific and the Atlantic Oceans in case an emergency rescue would become necessary. Had the astronaut capsule touched down near a Russian ship, the Russians would undoubtedly have expended as much care and effort in their rescue as if Russian cosmonauts had returned from a space trip. If Russian space travelers should ever be in a similar emergency situation, Americans would do the same without any doubt.
Higher food production through survey and assessment from orbit, and better food distribution through improved international relations, are only two examples of how profoundly the space program will impact life on earth. I would like to quote two other examples: stimulation of technological development, and generation of scientific knowledge.
The requirements for high precision and for extreme reliability which must be imposed upon the components of a moon-travelling spacecraft are entirely unprecedented in the history of engineering. The development of systems which meet these severe requirements has provided us a unique opportunity to find new material and methods, to invent better technical systems, to improve manufacturing procedures, to lengthen the lifetimes of instruments, and even to discover new laws of nature.
All this newly acquired technical knowledge is also available for application to earth-bound technologies. Every year, about a thousand technical innovations generated in the space program find their ways into our earthly technology where they lead to better kitchen appliances and farm equipment, better sewing machines and radios, better ships and airplanes, better weather forecasting and storm warning, better communications, better medical instruments, better utensils and tools for everyday life. Presumably, you will ask now why we must develop first a life support system for our moon-travelling astronauts, before we can build a remote-reading sensor system for heart patients. The answer is simple: significant progress in the solutions of technical problems is frequently made not by a direct approach, but by first setting a goal of high challenge which offers a strong motivation for innovative work, which fires the imagination and spurs men to expend their best efforts, and which acts as a catalyst by including chains of other reactions.
Spaceflight without any doubt is playing exactly this role. The voyage to Mars will certainly not be a direct source of food for the hungry. However, it will lead to so many new technologies and capabilities that the spin-offs from this project alone will be worth many times the cost of its implementation.
Besides the need for new technologies, there is a continuing great need for new basic knowledge in the sciences if we wish to improve the conditions of human life on earth. We need more knowledge in physics and chemistry, in biology and physiology, and very particularly in medicine to cope with all these problems which threaten man's life: hunger, disease, contamination of food and water, pollution of the environment.
We need more young men and women who choose science as a career and we need better support for those scientists who have the talent and the determination to engage in fruitful research work. Challenging research objectives must be available, and sufficient support for research projects must be provided. Again, the space program with its wonderful opportunities to engage in truly magnificent research studies of moons and planets, of physics and astronomy, of biology and medicine is an almost ideal catalyst which induces the reaction between the motivation for scientific work, opportunities to observe exciting phenomena of nature, and material support needed to carry out the research effort.
Among all the activities which are directed, controlled, and funded by the American government, the space program is certainly the most visible and probably the most debated activity, although it consumes only 1.6 percent of the total national budget, and 3 per mille [less than one-third of 1 percent] of the gross national product. As a stimulant and catalyst for the development of new technologies, and for research in the basic sciences, it is unparalleled by any other activity. In this respect, we may even say that the space program is taking over a function which for three or four thousand years has been the sad prerogative of wars.
How much human suffering can be avoided if nations, instead of competing with their bomb-dropping fleets of airplanes and rockets, compete with their moon-travelling space ships! This competition is full of promise for brilliant victories, but it leaves no room for the bitter fate of the vanquished, which breeds nothing but revenge and new wars.
Although our space program seems to lead us away from our earth and out toward the moon, the sun, the planets, and the stars, I believe that none of these celestial objects will find as much attention and study by space scientists as our earth. It will become a better earth, not only because of all the new technological and scientific knowledge which we will apply to the betterment of life, but also because we are developing a far deeper appreciation of our earth, of life, and of man.
The photograph which I enclose with this letter shows a view of our earth as seen from Apollo 8 when it orbited the moon at Christmas, 1968. Of all the many wonderful results of the space program so far, this picture may be the most important one. It opened our eyes to the fact that our earth is a beautiful and most precious island in an unlimited void, and that there is no other place for us to live but the thin surface layer of our planet, bordered by the bleak nothingness of space. Never before did so many people recognize how limited our earth really is, and how perilous it would be to tamper with its ecological balance. Ever since this picture was first published, voices have become louder and louder warning of the grave problems that confront man in our times: pollution, hunger, poverty, urban living, food production, water control, overpopulation. It is certainly not by accident that we begin to see the tremendous tasks waiting for us at a time when the young space age has provided us the first good look at our own planet.
Very fortunately though, the space age not only holds out a mirror in which we can see ourselves, it also provides us with the technologies, the challenge, the motivation, and even with the optimism to attack these tasks with confidence. What we learn in our space program, I believe, is fully supporting what Albert Schweitzer had in mind when he said: "I am looking at the future with concern, but with good hope."
My very best wishes will always be with you, and with your children.
Very sincerely yours, Ernst Stuhlinger Associate Director for Science.

http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2008/05/ernst_stuhlinge.html

Written in 1970 and still not less valid as in the past.


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Those people who like to say it's all a waste of money, they can make an example by giving up widescreen TVs, computers, game consoles, the internet, SUVs and live with the strict necessary, while giving out the rest to charity.

Hey, I would do that, I don't need much money for myself, and I can quickly earn more money than I need (thanks to the decline of the roleplaying game industry and the low quality of the computer game industry), but I am sure, my girlfriend will find a better use for the money as giving it to the poor. :cheers:
 
Nowadays we need the technology with all the problems that are going on. We can't just give everything up now. It is way too late. We need the internet for communication and information. We could shorten the length of the T.V., but we still need it for informational purpose and entertainment. I wonder what we would be doing if we didn't have any entertainment at all. Running the streets, more violence, and many more things.
Even if it is not a good way to stay occupied, keep it because it may be decreasing problems for the community. If we give all that up, we might be turning Amish. Just kidding, not really. Anyways, space exploration is not a waste because one day we might need to leave the planet for an emergency. Maybe around...2500? Where would we go for mans' last evolution? By then the people who convinced everyone to give up space exploration will be thinking...."If only we had space crafts." They won't even remember the people who said so. We would just be declining the evolution of man. Don't end it. We will accomplish so much more if we keep going on. Just try perservering. :facts:
 
Stephen hawking said it best:

I don't think the human race will survive the next thousand years, unless we spread into space. There are too many accidents that can befall life on a single planet. But I'm an optimist. We will reach out to the stars.
 
Exactly. Steven Hawking and me should be friends. Ha ha ha.
 
Being engaged in developement work, I can't state it enough: Our problems can't be solved with money! There's tons of money around, really. You realize it when you bother a bit with EU and Swiss developement departements. At some points you could call it irresponsible how fast they give out money to a project. And it's big money we're talking here, the kind with 6 zeroes behind it. I think that's not too bad, because inovative and great projects can get money this way. Would it be more restrictive, only conservative projects would have a chance for getting the big funding, and they're seldomly the most effective.

Anyways, people should allways keep in their heads that over 50% of the money invested in developement aid is actually - wasted! There's nothing coming out of it, projects don't work out, corruption is eating a fair percentage and sometimes the money (or the stuff bought for that money) doesn't even reach its destination. After the jugoslavian war, more than a bloody 90% of aid was LOST! GONE! whole convoys just disapeared, goods where repacked and reshipped into exprt, we bought most of them in our own stores.

A dropout of 50% is considered good. And that's not counting projects that finished by plan but didn't have any impact. It's something we got to life with if we want to accopmlish at least something. However, the more you spend, not only the more will you loose in absolute values... The PERCENTAGE of dropout is prone to increase the more money you put into a project. We can't solve the worlds problems, not with all the bloody money on the whole earth. Above a certain amount, it simply starts to disapear. That's the sad truth.

The thing that actually annoys me is that the world just lost over 6 TRILION dollars all in all due to criminal brokery and shortsighted planing... Note, this is not a redistribution. It's money that just disapeared out of our miracoulus economical system. Gone with the wind! We could have flown to mars and back 20 times for that money!! (on the other hand, most of that money never actualy existed. It was somehow replicated by our handwavium-driven economy. I still don't get it how they did it...).

Oh well, rant over. What I said about the financial crisis a bit before is very badly researched and probably not entirely correct. You can quote me on the stuff considering the developement buisnes though.
 
I don't think that space exploration is necessarily necessary. But I do think that humans have a desire to explore and move out.
 
You just contradicted yourself by expressing the opposite opinion by stating that it is neccessary but not. Kind of confusing though. Anyways, why do you think its not necessarily necessary? Add more information to it because I think there is a reason to have exploration.
 
I don't think that space exploration is necessarily necessary.
If ones who lead thought like that thru our history, neither you nor anyone and any man-made thing around you would ever have existed, provided the flag below your username means your actual location.

And mankind would have still lived in caves, reluctant to go out - it's a waste of breath! To go out of the cave to look at the sun? Why not spend that time fixing the global problems - the lack of caveworms to eat and ever-rising levels of poop in the big back pit?
 
I don't think it's necessarily necessary in that if we don't the world will overpopulate and we'll all die, or global warming will kill us all.

But I do think that it's important in that humans like to explore.

Consider this example, what if no one had ever followed Columbus to the new world. The human race would have survived in Europe and Asia, but people wanted to move out, and go to a new unsettled region.


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If ones who lead thought like that thru our history, neither you nor anyone and any man-made thing around you would ever have existed, provided the flag below your username means your actual location.

And mankind would have still lived in caves, reluctant to go out - it's a waste of breath! To go out of the cave to look at the sun? Why not spend that time fixing the global problems - the lack of caveworms to eat and ever-rising levels of poop in the big back pit?

Read my updated post. I went into detail on that.
 
Actually, the New World was settled by a human race. Still your point isn't very clear.

Exactly. But we would have survived in Europe. What I mean is this, space exploration is not necessary to insure the survival of the human race. However humans have a desire to explore. So yes, I do believe that space travel is important for that reason.
 
when the world has so many problems of its own that need sorting?

I like the idea of exploring space and things like that, just I see an increasing number of people saying that it is all a waste of money, when we should all be trying to sort out hunger and poverty. What is it about space exploration that makes it so worthwhile.

There are 4 basic forms of distribution of wealth:

1.Subsidizing, social programs, disaster programs: Short term assistance for emergency cases, load on taxpayers. Creates dependency if used for medium to long term.
2.Govt employment: Load on taxpayers
3.Root development: Company incubators to raise poor and turn them into small entrepreneurs. It requires good logistics and results could be starts to be seen in at least 2 years, not short term.
4.Company employment

About half of humanity lives miserably, which makes Earth to be third world planet. So it is like living in a planetary Nicaragua, where average Earth politician is like Daniel Ortega.

In this planet, this is how distribution of wealth takes place:
1.Subsidizing, social programs, disaster programs: Politicians gradually move those programs to favor themselves, their friend or their party, excluding the rest of population.

2.Govt employment: Politicians gradually move those programs to favor themselves, their friend or their party, excluding the rest of population.
3.Root development: It takes too much effort and logistics, and politicians want things to be easy, so root development has resources allocated in the other 2 (Subsidizing, social programs, disaster programs and Govt employment)

4.Company employment: Politicians think "let poverty to be handled by companies". But the goal of companies is to make profit, not to handle poverty, social responsibility is a scarse good.

So basically you have half of humanity being excluded from civilization.
As they are excluded from economy (due to poverty) they are excluded from the chance to participate in democracy, to make a decent living, and enjoy the benefits of living in a society.

Space exploration requires poverty to be lowered, for it is usually funded by governments. Governments need money from taxpayers, and having less poor and more people with jobs would mean more taxes. The other choice is to fund space exploration with debt, without solving poverty, and that adds more misery as loans must be paid later.
So the question is not if space exploration is necessary, but if it is affordable without debt.

The good thing of globalization is that poverty is now globalized. Americans are losing jobs because there is poverty in Latin America, so jobs move there. If Americans live bad, economy of the rest of the world does not work. So we are all interdependant, so we better care about poverty.

Poverty elsewhere could cause governments to have less taxes.
Company employment is slowly creating loyalty to companies that is stronger than patriotism.

My country is not feeding me, for if I lose my job the only way to have access to wealth distribution is with company employment. The other forms are absorbed by political elites or political parties.
So if a company takes care of me, unlike the ruling party of my country, who should I be loyal to?

This is the kind of dilemma that we will address in the near future.
 
To put it simply, the sun is going to become inhospitable in a few billion years. ;)
 
Why? Because once Global Warming gets our of control, we will not only have a backup planet to move to, we will have sufficent technology to get there. And since the end of the Earth is inevitable, we might as well start packing our bags.
 
Global warming is for the most part a hoax. Let me explain.

Supposedly, global warming is caused by an increase in greenhouse gases such as CO2, right? As more CO2 is pumped into the air, the earth's surface becomes warmer.

However, those two factors, extra CO2 and warmer temperatures, will encourage plant growth. As more plants grow, they turn the CO2 into O2 through photosynthesis. Thus, the earth's temperature drops.

And everything is once again where it was. The earth is a stable environment.
 
Global warming is for the most part a hoax. Let me explain.

Supposedly, global warming is caused by an increase in greenhouse gases such as CO2, right? As more CO2 is pumped into the air, the earth's surface becomes warmer.

However, those two factors, extra CO2 and warmer temperatures, will encourage plant growth. As more plants grow, they turn the CO2 into O2 through photosynthesis. Thus, the earth's temperature drops.

And everything is once again where it was. The earth is a stable environment.

I'm sure there is truth to what you're saying, but there are two considerations. First, like any system, you have dominant and non-dominant components. It may very well be that the rate of CO2 influx into the atmosphere is greater than the rate which plants are absorbing it. Also, just like a buffer in chemistry, any system can be overstressed and broken. The Earth is not invincible, and while it's a very hardy system, it has to be treated with respect, as well.
 
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