RN gets new toy
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All ships that are 'surface' class in the RN are called ships, even rowing boats, sorry rowing ships. Boats are subs, and your right, the admiralty didn't like the use of subs until the 20th century.
The S in HMS, is submarine, but it can be called submersiable as well, depending on the the 'old sea dog' you're talking to
That tower is practically hollow. The weight is all at the top. The '45 (in theory) can go hard to port/starboard at full speed, I'd hate to be the one to try it.
I'm not 100% sure, but the '45 is supposed to the be 'stealthiest' in its class as all rigging and rails have been removed. I think, from early concept/promotional material, some rails and 'crew safety features' retract.
The S in HMS, is submarine, but it can be called submersiable as well, depending on the the 'old sea dog' you're talking to
That tower is practically hollow. The weight is all at the top. The '45 (in theory) can go hard to port/starboard at full speed, I'd hate to be the one to try it.
I'm not 100% sure, but the '45 is supposed to the be 'stealthiest' in its class as all rigging and rails have been removed. I think, from early concept/promotional material, some rails and 'crew safety features' retract.
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Doesn't HMS mean Her/His Majesty's Ship?
And the Germans also have a ship like this - the Sachsen class.
And the Germans also have a ship like this - the Sachsen class.
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Originally HMS was His/Her Majesty's Ship, but it got transferred onto boats (re, submarines) and also land bases too (colloquially known as concrete frigates!).
The 'S' in these cases has been 'backronymed' to mean Submarine in the case of boats, or 'stronghold' in the case of land bases. Again, it's just a case of tradition more than any rational logic.
I don't know for certain but I'd imagine that it does. We've got some photos on the walls at work of some (I think) frigates doing a hard-port at full speed and the thing is rolled over at an alarming angle. I didn't know that the T45 was designed partially with stealth in mind though
Dickie
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The Type 45 can turn pretty handily even whilst flat out, in trials Daring actually performed better than they thought she would in this and most other respects. In fact, there was an incident during a PR and media event when during one such turn, some unsecured camera equipment ended up going overboard. They've actually been built extra wide to accommodate the top heavy structure with adequate stability, which is part of the reason they're so large both inside and out.
As far as stealth goes, the Type 45 has been designed from the ground up to have a lower radar cross section, as have most modern warships (Horizon and La Feyette spring to mind), even the Type 23 frigates were designed to be slightly 'stealthy', although not to the same extent. Even so, the idea of a 'stealth' ship is a misnomer, as no matter how uncluttered a deck or angled structure you have, a 7,000 tonne warship will still show up as a large return on a modern radar. As with airplanes, all 'stealth' does is reduce the range at which you'll be detected, which with ships doesn't make a whole lot of difference when you'll still be detected over the horizon anyway.
As far as stealth goes, the Type 45 has been designed from the ground up to have a lower radar cross section, as have most modern warships (Horizon and La Feyette spring to mind), even the Type 23 frigates were designed to be slightly 'stealthy', although not to the same extent. Even so, the idea of a 'stealth' ship is a misnomer, as no matter how uncluttered a deck or angled structure you have, a 7,000 tonne warship will still show up as a large return on a modern radar. As with airplanes, all 'stealth' does is reduce the range at which you'll be detected, which with ships doesn't make a whole lot of difference when you'll still be detected over the horizon anyway.
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Sorry, I think I need to clarify my point. The USN has had nuclear powered front-line ships before, starting with USS Long Beach , but they have been nuclear-turbine powered. They have also had turbo-electric front-line ships before, starting with USS New Mexico (BB-40). USS Zumwalt will be the first nuclear-turbo-electric powered.
Yeah, they've gone for a clean faceted look, a bit like stealth aircraft. Although compared to this rendering of USS Zumwalt, it looks positively cluttered (the rendering is probably a little optimistic, though):
MajorTom
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I couldn't resist...
Seen the new Grumman Fire Scout UAV helicopter?
Brilliant design for a naval helicopter (although the US Army likes it too).
From one angle it looks like a submarine...
...while from another angle it resembles a SHARK...
Seen the new Grumman Fire Scout UAV helicopter?
Brilliant design for a naval helicopter (although the US Army likes it too).
From one angle it looks like a submarine...
...while from another angle it resembles a SHARK...
tblaxland
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Nice. Does it land autonomously?
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