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A sad day. Let's hope that this isn't the end of the Reno Air Race...
News Vintage plane crashes into crowd at Reno air races
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What a terrible accident 
my thoughts go to the victims and the injured of this crash.
my thoughts go to the victims and the injured of this crash.God damn. Why are those shows still allowed to be prerformed that close to the audience? Airplanes are no toys even if it looks like. I wouldn't watch it that close, and less than ever with kids. It's simply too dangerous.
I thought that Ramstein was a lesson not only in Germany... :facepalm:
I thought that Ramstein was a lesson not only in Germany... :facepalm:
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And where are people supposed to watch? A loss of control accident can lead to a craft crashing just about anywhere. And if people were further back they would be better off just watching on TV.
There is always a small level of risk. I take a FAR greater risk walking home from work on fridays when there is drunk drivers about. Walking a few few further away from the road isn't going to significantly reduce my chance of being killed and moving spectators back will have the same effect. About none.
There is always a small level of risk. I take a FAR greater risk walking home from work on fridays when there is drunk drivers about. Walking a few few further away from the road isn't going to significantly reduce my chance of being killed and moving spectators back will have the same effect. About none.
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If fear is a good reason to give up then we might as well give up the Space program after Challenger and Columbia. Fear is almost never a valid reason to give up in anything.
You have no influence on drunken drivers. But you have the choice whether to watch such dangerours flying maneuvers or not. Don't tempt fate when it's avoidable. Such air shows don't contain a small level of risk. They contain a relatively high level of risk. There were dozens of close calls and fatal crashes since Ramstein all around the world.
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All avoidable risks should be avoided? I go to airshows all the time and have never seen a crash. The Space program is an enormous risk but we go forward with that and because we did, we acheive great things.
People are not allowed to watch rocket launches very close for valid reasons. And it's usually chosen audience on the press sites. All other spectators are additional miles away. And even if the sound wouldn't be an issue, they still wouldn't be allowed to watch it closely.
Although rocket launches are amazing to watch, they are not launched for spectators amusement. They are launched for military/scientific/commercial purposes.
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Well, for one thing, from the video, it looked to me like the stands in the Reno accident were on the outside of the course (I may be wrong, as I only have the video to go by). It seems to me like having them on the inside of the course would be a better idea, since as long as all the turns on the course are in one direction, planes following the course will never be headed directly towards spectators. Of course, there will always be freak accidents that will get around any given set of safety measures, but never having planes participating in the planned events of a day headed directly towards the audience seems like a fairly simple measure to implement.
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I'm surprised with ongoing safety concerns something like this isn't mandatory now:
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In the case of this accident, the pilot was likely unconcious, and pinned against the intrument panel. IIRC, the 'chute has to be deployed the pilot. So if he is unconcious, he would be unable to trip the 'chute.
Why do you say that he was unconscious? Many who were there have stated it looked like the pilot was attempting to steer away from the crowd...
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Could you confirm that from the videos?
I'd do it myself, but I'm not too sure if I want to see the video.
Even if that is an actual picture from the accident (it looks rather fishy to me), the pilot would not be absent from the picture were he unconscious. In this cases, pilots are rather well strapped in and wouldn't be able to slump over even if they wanted to.
Certainly, you cannot draw the conclusion that the pilot is unconscious from that picture.
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My uncle works/ed on Voodoo for the last several years. A few years back, the elevator trim tab fell off of Voodoo, causing the aircraft to pitch upward sharply. Attempts to contact the pilot were unsuccessful for nearly five seconds, when the pilot remembers coming to at approximately 10,000 feet with the groundcrew yelling at him through the radio. Also, a concious pilot would have kept his head up, and that should have filled the canopy in the picture of "The Galloping Ghost" making its fateful plunge. Finally, the tail wheel has deployed, indicative of extreme G's, enough to black out a pilot wearing a G suit, which most of the racers are not.
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No
People die ALL the time from drunken drivers making driving or walking down the street FAR FAR FAR greater risk than going to an Air Race or show.
It is beyond silly to say "don't" go to an airshow because someone might crash. That is like saying. "Don't live within 30 miles from an airport because an aircraft might breakup on decent and kill you."
Close calls? Many.. Just like ANY OTHER activity. Airshows are nothing new and compared to the safety of aircraft in the 1930s (Where there was a real substantial risk of death) I would watch an air race tomorrow.
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He did, however, according to what I'm hearing, retain some degree of control (and conciousness) for long enough to make a mayday call and pull out of the race, which makes me think that he might have had some opportunity to deploy a chute if he'd had one.
What happened to the rule that says pilots are not supposed to plan their demonstrations with a flightpath that intersects the crowd? To me, planes circling'round pylons would violate this easily, just as those low-pass 3-way crossings would too.
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