News Contact lost with 777-200ER of Malaysia Airlines

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As likely a theory as any at this point.

Crashed, hijacked and crashed, commandeered by a passenger/crewmember and flown to Africa/Pakistan/whatever to be repurposed into a cruise missile, NSA, aliens, stargates, they're all on the table at this point.

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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Malaysian official says investigators conclude missing jet was hijacked, steered off-course.
 

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This is looking more like a hijacking.

The communications systems of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 were deliberately disabled, Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak has said.

The new evidence, based on satellite and radar tracking of the plane, is "consistent with the deliberate action of someone on the plane", he said.

The investigation is "now entering a new phase", he said, focusing on the crew and passengers on board.

The plane disappeared a week ago with 239 people on board.

The Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight last made contact with air traffic control over the South China Sea to the east of Malaysia, about one hour after take off.

Mr Razak told a news conference that new satellite evidence shows "with a high degree of certainty" that the aircraft's communications systems were disabled and then it changed course, flying west back over Malaysia.

"These movements are consistent with the deliberate action of someone on the plane," he said.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26591056
 

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Maybe I'm just dumb, but how can satelite evidence point to communications being disabled on purpose? They can't even find the bloody wreck, now they're telling me they can read peoples minds by satelite?
 

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it can't but it's how the systems went offline rather than that they did.

From my understanding, there are two systems that send pings to satellites and one on the engines. So, first of all, the plane vanishes from radar then at a later point in time one of the satellite ping systems goes offline, 14 minutes later another does.

This could be an indication of fire but it's not an indication that the plane crashed at the point it vanished. The deduction is that someone turned those systems off i.e. a hijacker.
 

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Maybe I'm just dumb, but how can satelite evidence point to communications being disabled on purpose? They can't even find the bloody wreck, now they're telling me they can read peoples minds by satelite?

Because a fire / meachanical failure / explosion etc. would show up in telemetry data. So if all parameters are completely nominal, then you can conclude that the plane is fine -- in which case, you can further conclude highjacking, as there is no legitimate reason to fly with the transponder off.

Besides, hijacking became obvious when the maintenance telemetry was discovered -- if you have a damaged plane you go to the nearest airport and land, not fly around for 4 hours.
 

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if you have a damaged plane you go to the nearest airport and land, not fly around for 4 hours.

Not true. You'd fly a holding pattern to asses the best course of action. This is what Qantas Flight 32 did.

The crew, after finding the plane controllable, decided to fly a racetrack holding pattern close to Changi airport while assessing the status of the aircraft. It took 50 minutes to complete this initial assessment.

They then spent at least another hour going through EFIS messages and checking landing distances.
 

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Not true. You'd fly a holding pattern to asses the best course of action. This is what Qantas Flight 32 did.

No, there are failures, that require you to land as soon as possible. Communications is one of them, but if your hydraulics fail and you could possibly be out of control soon, you try to get down, without hesitation.

But most failures are of the kind that you mention: Stay calm and analyse the situation, decide if you can continue flight, if you can't continue to your destination, divert and give the airport time to prepare.
 

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Polish media has informed that:

- the Malaysian authorities treat now the hijacking theory as proven ("this is a final determination, not a theory"),and that the hijacker was an "experienced pilot"

- the captain's house has been searched this morning
 

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An updated map.

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Another twist?

Police helping with the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have searched the home of its pilot, after investigators revealed "deliberate action" was taken on board the airliner to alter its direction.

During a dramatic press conference this morning, Malaysian Prime Minsiter Najib Razak said they now believe someone deliberately shut off the jet's communications and tracking systems, turned the plane around and flew for almost seven hours after it vanished.

Shortly after he finished speaking, a police source said officers had arrived at the home of 53-year-old pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah, to search for evidence that could help with the investigation.

Investigators are increasingly focused on the possibility the plane was flown off-course by the pilot or co-pilot, or someone else on board with detailed knowledge of how to fly and navigate a large commercial aircraft.

Najib also revealed this morning that new data showed the last communication between the missing plane and satellites was at 8.11am Malaysian time - almost seven hours after it dropped off civilian air traffic control screens at 1.22am last Saturday.

It was flying across the mouth of the Gulf of Thailand on the eastern side of Malaysia, towards Vietnam.

Najib said satellite data confirmed that an unidentified aircraft which later appeared on military radar off Malaysia's west coast before going out of range at 2.15am was flight MH370.

He said: "Up until that point at which it left military primary radar coverage, these movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane."

Analysis of this new information means they are now focusing the search on two corridors; one to the north, which stretches from Thailand to the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, and the other to the south from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean
 

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Shows two possible corridors that Malayasian Prime Minister mentioned for flight MH370 MalaysiaAirlines

That one is even stranger... Almost leads to Baïkonur (not exactly) and Diego Garcia ? :idk:
 

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No, there are failures, that require you to land as soon as possible. Communications is one of them, but if your hydraulics fail and you could possibly be out of control soon, you try to get down, without hesitation.

Communications failure in the absence of other failures is not "land as soon as possible," it's "continue on your filed flight plan because that's the most predictable thing for you to do," at least in America. Then again, with the prevalence of handheld radios, communication failure is pretty much not a thing anymore...
 

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Starting to sound like a "James Bond" movie script.
 

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I highly doubt that it went over that much of SE Asia, India, Pakistan, and Kazakhstan without being detected. Those corridors also seem to assume the vehicle flew on a straight path, if I was the pilot I would not have flown straight. If it landed I personally think it's in Africa or the Middle East.

Or just as likely, on the bottom of the ocean.
 

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Why only the 2 corridors; with 7 hours of flight time it could be anywhere in that direction; Yemen, Iran, who the hell knows....:shrug:
 

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Communications failure in the absence of other failures is not "land as soon as possible," it's "continue on your filed flight plan because that's the most predictable thing for you to do," at least in America. Then again, with the prevalence of handheld radios, communication failure is pretty much not a thing anymore...


Yes... had written this half asleep, my grammar shutdown all communications and left its flight plan.
 

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Why only the 2 corridors; with 7 hours of flight time it could be anywhere in that direction; Yemen, Iran, who the hell knows....:shrug:

Good question, but if the relatives are telling the truth and passengers mobile phones are ringing then can't the various governments find out what cell network the phones have attached to? It'll at least narrow things down to a country where the plane flew over, into, landed at or something.
 

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I'm hearing from some friends in the military that that they possibly have more accurate info on the plane but are not releasing anything publicly

At this point it is really plausible, else I'm very disappointed by the detection capabilities of military systems (including satellites).
 
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