Strange object over Norway this morning.

[SiberianTiger]

Dear TR1978,

Could you please identify at least one of the locations where the shots and videos were taken at, down to town/district or better, street. I'd like to do some triangulation exercises.

 

[Urwumpe]

Was in Tromso, at the "steam ship pier", which is very likely at this place:

http://maps.google.de/?ie=UTF8&ll=69.644155,18.953669&spn=0.004964,0.019033&t=h&z=16

At least when comparing the first photos with the panorama here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Panorama_fjellheisen-improved.jpg

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BTW: Have the confirmation that the Trident II launch photo was a failure:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z-3fjg4dYY"]YouTube- Submarine Launched Trident PEM-1 Launch Failure[/ame]

 

[TR1978]

Dear TR1978,

Could you please identify at least one of the locations where the shots and videos were taken at, down to town/district or better, street. I'd like to do some triangulation exercises.

Yes, "steam ship pier" is one of the locations where footage was aquired as Urwumpe says. But there are now so many reports that it is difficult to give you an answer.

Me myself is in the far south, and I don't know anyone up north, and really dont know any more than you. Sorry

Heh, I just realized that "more reports" equals "more information". (I took an early weekend ) Ill see what I can find on the locations. I'll get back to you.

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Another edit:
my countrys newspapers are swamped with the Obama visit today, so these things have a tendency to get buried far down on the page.

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Here are a few locations, with videos.

Sortland:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...41,15.474243&spn=0.733368,3.56781&z=9&iwloc=A

http://www.vgtv.no/?id=27553

Senja:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...11,17.493056&spn=0.713551,3.56781&z=9&iwloc=A

http://www.vgtv.no/?id=27559&category=1

Lødingen:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...&hnear=Lødingen,+Nordland,+Norway&z=9&iwloc=A

http://www.vgtv.no/?id=27558&category=1

 

[Orbinaut Pete]

Russia admits missile caused UFO lights.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34362960/ns/technology_and_science-space

 

[SiberianTiger]

Was in Tromso, at the "steam ship pier", which is very likely at this place:

http://maps.google.de/?ie=UTF8&ll=69.644155,18.953669&spn=0.004964,0.019033&t=h&z=16

At least when comparing the first photos with the panorama here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Panorama_fjellheisen-improved.jpg

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The 'Dampskipskaia' rather looks to be located here:

http://www.destinasjontromso.no/nyhetsbrev/index_2_2006.html

"Tromsø dampskipskaia"

I'm sorry, the rest of the places don't have much reference features in the frame.

 

[agentgonzo]

Russia confirms it was a failed Bulava

 

[SiberianTiger]

We've been wrong about Tromsø. The photographer lives in Skjervøy.

Here's a picture of Skjervøy harbor, supporting this:
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/10575400.jpg

Below are my diagrams with calculation results.





It's a pity that there is no video good enough to estimate the speed.

 

[n122vu]

This video at this page is the best:
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/troms_og_finnmark/1.6902788

And it's looking really, really weird.

I thought that looked very strange also. This video provides a possible explanation of the phenomenon. (link found in the story agentgonzo pointed to)

 

[SiberianTiger]

Another spiral cloud was visible during the yesterday's launch of an RS-12M from Kapustin Yar (targeting Sary-Shagan range in Kazakhstan, see http://en.rian.ru/russia/20091210/157187972.html). The pictures were taken from aside of the ascent path in Chelyabinsk:

It's not that great in size as the one watched from Norway, which can be explained because this time the only tumbling thing was a used out booster after separation.

Soyuz upper stages also produce a spiral or a comma-like shape in the sky after separation and fuel dumping through the eccentric vent nozzle.

 

[Cinder]

This explanation for the spiral trail over Norway's on a kooky site, but it's articulated (if mistaken) enough that it seems worth correcting. The user shows his math more or less completely.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread526637/pg1

 

[Sky Captain]

Well, if it was low altitude event originating in Norway then people who were on the east from the source would seen the lights appearing in the west not northeast direction. Is there any reports of that?

Also how ionospheric heater facility could possibly cause such funky effect that looks like a gas leaking out from point source.

 

[SiberianTiger]

This basic assumption is inherently far-fetched:

And yet for the missile to be so clearly visible in the Norwegian sky, implies that the missiles guidance system must have almost immediately failed and changed it's path to a north-westerly direction, almost a 90 degree shift in direction ... and headed instead towards Norway !

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Now, the distance from Tromso, Norway to the White Sea is approximately 800 kms. Plugging this value into the rearranged equation tells us that to be able to see the "exhaust plume" created at the White Sea from a distance of 800 kms, that the height of the plume will need to extend an incredible 40 kms into the upper atmosphere. If that wasn't bad enough, to be able to visually see that plume, it would imply that the exhaust plume had a width in excess of 10 kilometres !!
A height of 40 kms and a width greater than 10 kms ... all from the launch of a single missile ... thats equivalent to the exhaust plume from a shuttle launched in Cape Canaveral being seen 800 kms away in North Carolina ... somehow I don't think so !!!!

Funny man

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It's a pity that EXIF information got wiped from any of the available copies of the frames above. Had it been there, it would be possible to treat the two pictures of time-lapse sequence to find the velocity.

 

[Urwumpe]

Funny man

I can only agree. Also he has the altitude calculation wrong, likely because he did forget that Norway is a bit more topographic than many people know. The altitude should be about 85 km then.

It's a pity that EXIF information got wiped from any of the available copies of the frames above. Had it been there, it would be possible to treat the two pictures of time-lapse sequence to find the velocity.

You could use the videos, there are some that show city lights that can be used as reference for motion.

EDIT: Not that I am surprised that people at above top secret can't even get a simple projection right...

 

[SiberianTiger]

You could use the videos, there are some that show city lights that can be used as reference for motion.

I saw them, but for me it's hopeless to identify what cities those lights are from.

 

[Urwumpe]

I saw them, but for me it's hopeless to identify what cities those lights are from.

True, but the range error shouldn't be too severe.

EDIT: Also, I have found a very straight forward reason why the "rocket flying over norway" claim is stupid. There should be almost no sideways motion then and the spiral would not be in the plane of the velocity vector.

 

[Messierhunter]

I used orbiter to simulate the flight path of the Bulava missile. I coded Venka's multistage demo rocket to the specs for a Bulava and launched it from the white sea. I was off a bit on the exact launch point I think, but generally I was able to recreate the result by targeting the Kamchatka peninsula. This is where the ground observer camera showed it to be in the sky at second stage cutoff from Skjervoy, same town as the pictures of the spiral above:

The ratio of the height of the rocket over the mountain (at second stage cutoff) versus the size of the mountain to the "water level" below is almost exactly the same for both the orbiter simulation and for the photo from Skjervoy. I didn't capture a video of it, but the path followed by the ground observer camera matched the blue arc leading up to the spiral perfectly as well.

 

[SiberianTiger]

A very good report containing a triangulation analysis consistent with my previous analysis:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/25436400/...-and-Altitude-of-the-Norway-Spiral-Phenomenon

 

[SiberianTiger]

http://www.rian.ru/defense_safety/20100723/257658877.html

A leak source from State Investigatory Committee informed media that the test launch of RSM-56 Bulava on December 9, 2009 failed because the second stage's nozzle extension failed to deploy due to spoilage in production.

Out of total 12 flight tests of RSM-56 only 5 were considered successful. The next test is to happen in July or August of 2010.

 

[Urwumpe]

Interesting, a variable nozzle extension of a ICBM...

 

[SiberianTiger]

BTW, were there any strange objects over Norway today at 8:15 UTC? The TK-208 Dmitry Donskoy has just successfully fired a Bulava missile, hitting Kura test range.