News Top Nazi Rudolf Hess exhumed from 'pilgrimage' grave.

And now lets hear from all the pundits who said that burying Bin Laden at sea was an absurd idea.
 
And now lets hear from all the pundits who said that burying Bin Laden at sea was an absurd idea.

It was a stupid idea. Just like it isn't a sign of intelligence to travel to Hess grave.

Also, in Germany, you are never buried in a prison - they simply have no cemetery and especially Spandau fortress had been no normal prison.

But aside of this: Even the worst scum deserves to be treated with humanity and dignity (keeping his dignity is your dignity), and if Hess wanted to be buried in his hometown, there is little that speaks against this wish. He didn't really demand anything special.

Removing a grave won't remove all the idiots that cling to a yesterday that never existed.

Also, you won't find such idiots at the graves of those who had at least some competence - the grave of Karl Dönitz for example is still a pretty silent place. Maybe because he isn't a good Nazi role model, but rather a good soldier with some many flaws (Like thinking that blind faith and following is the same as loyalty). Albert Speers grave is also not really a place of Nazi worship.

Only those that had been executed right after the Nuremburg trials had no graves - they had been cremated and their ashes send into the Isar river.

The rest had been free men after serving their sentence. Including free to be buried like any other German.

But free men that died of old age or illness are no martyrs for the ideology. People like Dönitz likely had more friends among the British and US soldiers, as German supporters.
 
Nice to see the Lutheran Church living up to it's name.

I wonder how many sub committees they formed to decide on what to do.
 
That's legal? Digging up a dead guy, burning his remains, and chucking them in the ocean just because you don't like the people that visit the grave? Completely against the wishes of the man, his family, and his decedents?

Nice to know the church gets full authority to pick and choose which people get to be properly buried and which get dumped in the ocean.
 
Nice to know the church gets full authority to pick and choose which people get to be properly buried and which get dumped in the ocean.
The cemetery was under control of the next door church. The church council decided not to renew the lease of the plot. As such, they informed the Granddaughter and she made other arrangements. The process would also be quite detailed, and I would expect it to last many months if not years, Such steps are obliviously not taken lightly. You also have to consider the other graves present. If your loved one was next to a "shine to Hilter" would you be happy? I wouldn't be thrilled, that is for sure.

Nothing was out of order, the lease ran out and they didn't want to renew. Almost exactly like renting house...
 
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The cemetary was under control of the next door church. The church council desided not to renew the lease of the plot. As such, they informed the Granddaughter and she made other arrangements.

Nothing was out of order, the lease ran out and they didn't want to renew.

:facepalm:

Who else did they simply decide "not to renew"? As long as the family has the money to renew the lease, the body should have stayed there. A church shouldn't be picking and choosing whose bodies get to stay in their cemetery just based on what group of people thinks he's a hero.

It's not the dead guy's fault that idiots turn up at his grave. Let the dead have their basic human dignity and get the cops to throw the idiots out.
 
Would it matter if it wasn't a church but a local government cemetery, or the provincial government (state) or federal government?
 
Would it matter if it wasn't a church but a local government cemetery, or the provincial government (state) or federal government?

It would still bother me. The guy's dying wish was to be buried there next to his parents. Everybody deserves basic human dignity, and he shouldn't be dug up and thrown in the ocean decades after his death just because of what some idiot neo-Nazis are doing.
 
It's funny how the West picks on all the queers of the Middle East and sets them up to be the Average Joe. Yet completely turns its back on its own backward deeds.
 
Bringing this to attention is hardly turning our backs?

Hess is one of the least culpable of that regime, probably because he had least chance to be involved in the worst of it. He also had the most severe punishment, in my opinion.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Hess"]Rudolf Hess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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Nice to know the church gets full authority to pick and choose which people get to be properly buried and which get dumped in the ocean.

Who else did they simply decide "not to renew"?

In Switzerland, noone burried on a public graveyard gets much more than 30 to 40 years burial time before they are commited to the compost and their graves freed for the next occupant. I don't see a problem...
 
Albert Speers grave is also not really a place of Nazi worship.

That's not surprising given that Speer basically renonced Nazism at the nuremburg trial and in his later books. He was the only one of the top defendants at the first Nuremburg trial to express any remorse or to accept any responsibility for the crimes of the Nazi regime. I understand that he actually considered trying to kill Hitler with poison gas in 1945 over his scorched earth orders.
 
In Switzerland, noone burried on a public graveyard gets much more than 30 to 40 years burial time before they are commited to the compost and their graves freed for the next occupant. I don't see a problem...

Same in Germany, usually 20 years if I remember correctly. The area for graves is pretty limited, if we wouldn't do just that from time to time, there would be no place to die left.
 
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