News Turkish airlines plane crashes in Amsterdam

[Urwumpe]

Not much known about it yet, but the 135 passengers on-board and the first reports of the plane being broken in two parts after a failed landing, had been important enough for interrupting the traditional political Ash Wednesday speeches in German TV.

 

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(CNN) — A Turkish airliner crashed at Amsterdam’s main airport about 10:40 a.m. Wednesday local time, Dutch airport officials said.
It was not immediately clear whether anyone was hurt or how many passengers were on board.
The Airbus 380 crashed while it was trying to land at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol. The flight originated in Istanbul, Turkey.
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/25/airliner-crashes-at-dutch-airport-2/http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/

We also learn from the report that Turks have A380ies in service
Of course they will correct the mistake later, but the virus is spread.

 

[Notebook]

More from the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7909683.stm

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[simonpro]

 

[Urwumpe]

Damn, that must have been a hard impact, if the first level of the A380 got stomped into the ground.

Looks more like a Airbus A330.

Sounds like there had been only one death despite the destruction of the plane.

 

[Notebook]

Can't tell from the picture, maybe someone knows the area, did it crash short of the runway? Was the weather bad?

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[Urwumpe]

Can't tell from the picture, maybe someone knows the area, did it crash short of the runway? Was the weather bad?

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Normal weather (typical light fog in the morning), landed on a field right next to a motorway a few km away from the runway.

And the plane is now officially a Boeing 737-800, I am really better in identifying spacecraft.

 

[tblaxland]

News media here is reporting it came down short.

And the plane is now officially a Boeing 737-800, I am really better in identifying spacecraft.

Yeah, the two hatches over the wing give it away:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sun-...er_by_photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=&next_id=1264079

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

The crash location would be near the marker I placed here:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...37104,4.720516&spn=0.040875,0.106688&t=h&z=14 (wait until the marker loads)

It was on final approach to the so called "Polderbaan" runway, where it would land at 10:30 LT. The near highway A9 is closed, traffic is completely stuck now.
Witnesses are now reporting multiple deaths..


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An eyewitness saw the plane approaching very slow and/or low, raising the nose in the end and 'fall' out of the sky like a brick afterwards.
It's early, but that sounds like a low altitude stall... Strange, maybe they wanted to avoid hitting the highway?


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More ANP photos:
http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?mailingid=12944&flush=1

Unofficial: 7 casualties

 

[T.Neo]

Damn, that must have been a hard impact, if the first level of the A380 got stomped into the ground.

Looks more like a Airbus A330.

Ignoring that fact that the type of plane is now known, it simply looks too small to be an A380. It's like seeing a picture of a dinosaur shorter then a man.


The plane seems totally destroyed, was there any fire?

 

[Urwumpe]

The plane seems totally destroyed, was there any fire?

No fire, and the fact that the three parts of the plane are still close together suggest, that the impact was slower and steeper...at least to me.

In a normal crash landing, I would expect the aft end to stop way earlier than the rest of the plane... are there any pictures of the tracks on the ground?

 

[T.Neo]

That's odd. Were the fuel tanks almost empty?

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

There are now indications that both engines failed in-flight, and that they tried to glide to the runway, not making it.
But it's a bit too early to speculate. There will be a press conference now soon.

 

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There are now indications that both engines failed in-flight, and that they tried to glide to the runway, not making it.
But it's a bit too early to speculate. There will be a press conference now soon.

That may explain the absence of fire. Fuel dump.

 

[simonpro]

That may explain the absence of fire. Fuel dump.

Or not.


Anyway, the only thing I can tell from the images I have seen is that the engines look like they weren't rotating. Not much damage to the fan blades.

 

[Urwumpe]

The press conference was short. Very short.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

The press conference was short. Very short.

Yes, but some new official facts:

135 passengers, 9 deaths, 50 wounded..

The news reportes revealed a phone call with one person who was aboard the plane. He was sleeping and only woke up just before the crash, when he noticed vibrations. So he couldn't tell/confirm if the engines were running or not. Next conference at 1600.

 

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Or not.

What I mean is that if you have to glide you better lose weight, and if you need to crash land you better try to avoid fire. So you dump fuel.

 

[Urwumpe]

What I mean is that if you have to glide you better lose weight, and if you need to crash land you better try to avoid fire. So you dump fuel.

Only few larger planes have fuel dump nozzles at all. In general, all smaller planes have a maximum landing weight, which is only slightly lower than the maximum take-off weight.

The fact that even the pilots had not been aware of problems until only seconds before the crash (no radio calls, instructing the passengers, etc) does also not support your claims.

Instead remember the plane went from Istanbul to Amsterdam. This is pretty much at the maximum of range of this kind of plane.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Two possible causes are now considered:

• Engine power loss caused by either lack of fuel or malfunction in fuel system.
• Double bird strike like on recent Hudson crash, damaging both engines.