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Ship != Car :lol:

My cars have never collided with a ship since they have names. They did also never sink. And they always crossed storms well.

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I saw that on kickstarter, and it is making about $10,000/hour today. Man, people love the worm logo.

As design nerds, we think the Worm is almost perfect...
Where the Meatball feels cartoon-like and old fashioned; the worm feels sleek, futuristic, forward-thinking

I disagree. To me the worm looks very retro 80s (I know it was designed in the 70s, but it didn't get "big" until the shuttle program in the 80s). I associate it with older astronaut portraits of people with "80s hair" and big glasses, etc. Besides, I was never a fan of leaving the cross-stroke out of the A. Or having grey letters on a white space shuttle.

I much prefer the meatball, which is timeless, IMHO.

Also, I suspect that the more "futuristic" that you try to make something look, the more you will date it to your current era for actual people in the future. I'm sure at one time chrome and tailfins was a "futuristic" design, but these days we call a 57 Chevy a classic.
 
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Man, people love the worm logo.

This manual is worth its weight in gold for any aspiring graphics designer, hence the interest.

This, for example, is genius:

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W.r.t. the worm / meatball controversy: the meatball faction is/was driven by sentiment and have totally missed the importance of having a recognizable brand. The problem with meatball is that it's too complicated to be memorized, which means that it cannot be instantly recognized upon seeing it. The worm, OTOH is easy to memorize, and it will be memorized after seeing it for the first time, because it attracts your attention with the missing bar in the "A".

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The main argument against the worm is that it is not "appropriate", but observe that it does fulfill 3 other criteria (simple, memorable, versatile). The meatball, on the other hand, is appropriate, but by its complexity it fails to be simple, memorable and versatile. The last point is important because it turns out that meatball essentially cannot be reproduced correctly:

"It's a design nightmare," sighs Greg Patt, Graphics Manager for Lewis' Publishing Services contractor, Cortez III. "It doesn't print well on laser printers because of the gradations on the airfoil, and it can't be used at less than 5/8 inch because the stars disappear and the type becomes illegible."

It is hard to match the meatball's blue background on color copiers, and the lettering and airfoil do not contrast enough on black & white copiers. Because of its dark blue background, two versions are used: the basic version is used against light backgrounds and that version surrounded by a thin white line is used against dark backgrounds. In addition, its round shape makes it difficult to artfully place type around or near it--something that the more rectangular "worm" was suited for. Such limitations were unimportant with photographic printing because a negative of the logo had to be stripped (cut and taped) into a negative layout, so smaller sizes would have been impractical, printers wanted to avoid stripping in small chunks of type, and gradations in shading or hue were produced easily.

http://history.nasa.gov/meatball.htm

The meatball is the coat of arms for a space knight; the worm is something you can put on spin-off technology to show the taxpayer that they are getting their money worth down here.

As for the meatball supposedly being more "appropriate": recognize that Dan Goldin has put the conquest-era logo on a stagnant organization whose main claim to fame during his tenure was repeating achievements from 1970s (Pathfinder-Viking and ISS-Skylab).
 
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The meatball is not that complicated. It has some "bling" to it. And it actually invokes space. I would rather a coat of arms be the logo of my agency than simply the acronym of the name in some weird typeface.

And I disagree that the meatball crowd is driven by sentimentality. In fact, I could say the same about the "worm" crowd.

I wasn't even born in the Apollo era. When I saw the meatball as an adolescent in the '90s, I remember thinking "cool new logo". I had no idea that it went back to the 60s until I read about it. Even today it doesn't seem out of place.
 

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At least this didn't happen to her (warning, you may find this disturbing and hilarious): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxz42Pact0M

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The NASA meatball is actually more consistent with other US government agencies that all have circular logos. Plus it's a cool throwback to the Jetsons days of the 1960s when the future was still cool.

That said, I don't dislike the worm. I kind of like that 70s Battlestar Galactica (Lorne Greene era), Space 1999 vibe it has. Plus it goes along with the Philadelphia Phillies 70s logo, which is currently undergoing a revival on T-shirts and hats around the Philly area.

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My cars have never collided with a ship since they have names. They did also never sink. And they always crossed storms well.

It works!

You need to check out this book. Read the reviews: http://www.amazon.com/Avoid-Huge-Ships-John-Trimmer/dp/0870334336
 

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Darwin award in the making?

I wouldn't be so sure. Having all those engines can provide rather good redundancy.

The only thing I have beef with it is a name. If it's manned I wouldn't call it a drone.
 

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I assumed it was a spoof, at that price I can't afford to find out!

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Given "somebody" with decent experience in various programming languages (C++, C#, Java) that has never even used another system than windows, but suddenly and unexpectedly finds himself in the awkward situation of having to develop a complex application involving communication with USB devices and a server communicating in MQTT for Linux (Raspbian to be specific) because Windows 10 core IoT turned out to be useless, where would you tell him to start learning? :shifty:
 

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Given "somebody" with decent experience in various programming languages (C++, C#, Java) that has never even used another system than windows, and suddenly finds himself in the awkward situation of having to develop a complex application involving communication with USB devices and a server communicating in MQTT for Linux (Raspbian to be specific) because WIndows 10 core IoT turned out to be useless, where would you tell him to start learning? :shifty:

At zero.

Seriously. I just caused a bug in Linux because strncpy does not zero-terminate the C-strings, like it does in Windows.

Aside of that, I would look at what you really need. if you can do IoT by python scripts for example already, you can avoid a lot of C madness.
 
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