OHM International Space Station v.3.2

[Grover]

just discovered this addon (plus the soyuz launcher by Thornton) last night, and it looks fantastic! ive really wanted to find an ISS addon with such detail!

now i just have to learn how to dock properly, because the lack of ISS- Kill-rot) is breaking my previous method, where i eliminate all rotational velocity.
is there a procedural guide for the use of this? and even a brief mission guide for the soyuz/progress missions (where to dock, how long to stay docked for etc) would be appreciated

thanks for the great addon!

 

[diogom]

is there any chance to dock zvezda with zarya? As i see there are no engines to make [LIN] translation that is why the docking with zarya is impossible

You'll have to translate Zarya with Unity to dock with Zvezda. Hard, but not impossible :tiphat:

---------- Post added at 02:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:13 PM ----------

just discovered this addon (plus the soyuz launcher by Thornton) last night, and it looks fantastic! ive really wanted to find an ISS addon with such detail!

now i just have to learn how to dock properly, because the lack of ISS- Kill-rot) is breaking my previous method, where i eliminate all rotational velocity.
is there a procedural guide for the use of this? and even a brief mission guide for the soyuz/progress missions (where to dock, how long to stay docked for etc) would be appreciated

thanks for the great addon!

Do you mean the ISS keeps rotating prograde? If so, just disable the prograde autopilot, and the CMG will hold the attitude. Guides, no, Wikipedia will have to do

 

[Grover]

so if there's no autopilot, killrot is automatically activated? sweet

and wikipedia will have to do, once ive got the hang of docking the soyuz, its onto using the shuttle fleet to put the ISS together!

wish me luck!

 

[Siberier]

You'll have to translate Zarya with Unity to dock with Zvezda. Hard, but not impossible :tiphat:

---------- Post added at 02:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:13 PM ----------



Do you mean the ISS keeps rotating prograde? If so, just disable the prograde autopilot, and the CMG will hold the attitude. Guides, no, Wikipedia will have to do

thx a lot)
I've already solve this problem with your suggestion.

 

[N_Molson]

so if there's no autopilot, killrot is automatically activated? sweet

It's a little more subtle than that

Thorton actually simulated the CMG by having the ISS actually rotate in a "teleport" way that doesn't need the use of thrusters. That way it doesn't use fuel as in reality and time acceleration is better supported. Also, it is a way to solve the "CoG problem" (with "invisible & near-infinite Isp" thrusters, the CoG will shift as you dock modules - well, in that case the modules are attached, so it doesn't apply - or something massive like a Space Shuttle).

The only limits of the system is that you can notice tiny "jumps", especially at low FPS, and that you can't dock to attached modules docking ports (when you dock, you actually dock with the core module that has its docking ports defined so that the illusion is recreated).

Very, very smart stuff :hail:

 

[Grover]

manages a manual, visual docking without a hitch, thanks NMolson!

now to try and do it historically, I might even try to put together a short document, showing where to dock for each mission... assuming that i manage to work it out myself
i think using some photos of docked craft might help, then i just work out how the ports are mapped (which port is 0, which is 1 etc)

and after having a look at the shuttle fleet missions, i noticed that only one gives RMS rotation figures for automatic RMS movement, is this a problem, since ive never been a fan of using an RMS (not easy )
and also, how did STS 88 dock the unity to the ISS? i suppose it had to move close to the station first, then move the unity module to dock it with the shuttle, then move the entire stack toward the russian module... then spend a few days connecting all the leads

thanks guys, hopefully we'll get some more modern missions from Thornton in the near future (i hope!)

 

[diogom]

and also, how did STS 88 dock the unity to the ISS? i suppose it had to move close to the station first, then move the unity module to dock it with the shuttle, then move the entire stack toward the russian module... then spend a few days connecting all the leads

:yes: Except you have to grapple Zarya with the RMS and dock it to Unity. At least historically :shifty:

 

[Grover]

:yes: Except you have to grapple Zarya with the RMS and dock it to Unity. At least historically :shifty:

so the shuttle RMS brought the unity to the shuttle dock, then the Zarya to the unity? seems a bit of a faff... why not just use LIN-up thrust and bang the two together?

 

[Donamy]

Probably because if it didn't work (which it didn't the first attempt) the Zarya would have been sent hurtling off into space. Well, not that dramatic, but you get the idea.




A couple shots from SSU.

 

[Grover]

ok, heres my timeline so far, following all the soyuz and progress missions from Progress M1-3 to Soyuz TMA-2 (WIP, im working along the missions chronologically)

P=Progress
S=Soyuz
undock# sigifies the final undocking of the craft

times accurrate to 15 mins and all are GMT or UTC (so should be accurate)

______________________________________________________________________________
Mission    Operation    Date                    Remarks
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

P-M1-3     launch	6  /8  /2000
P-M1-3     dock		8  /8  /2000 		Zvezda Aft

S-TM-31    launch	31 /10 /2000
P-M1-3     undock#   	1  /11 /2000 		4:00
S-TM-31    dock   	2  /11 /2000 		Zvezda Aft

P-M1-4     launch 	16 /11 /2000
P-M1-4     dock     	18 /11 /2000		Zarya Nadir
P-M1-4     undock	1  /12 /2000		start of free-flight, 16:15
P-M1-4     dock		26 /12 /2000		Zarya Nadir
P-M1-4     undock#	8  /2  /2001		11:30
S-TM-31    undock    	24 /2  /2001 		Relocation, 10:00
S-TM-31    dock      	24 /2  /2001 		Zarya Nadir

P-M-44     launch	26 /2  /2001
P-M-44     dock		28 /2  /2001		Zvezda Aft
P-M-44     undock#	16 /4  /2001		8:45
S-TM-31    undock    	18 /4  /2001 		Relocation, 12:45 
S-TM-31    dock      	18 /4  /2001 		Zvezda Aft

S-TM-32    launch	28 /4  /2001
S-TM-32    dock		30 /4  /2001		Zarya Nadir
S-TM-31    undock#   	6  /5  /2001 		2:15

P-M1-6     launch	20 /5  /2001
P-M1-6     dock		23 /5  /2001		Zvezda Aft

P-M-45	   launch	21 /8  /2001
P-M1-6	   undock#	22 /8  /2001		6:00
P-M-45     dock		23 /8  /2001		Zvezda Aft

P-M-SO1    launch	14 /9  /2001		Modified Progress: Pirs module
P-M-SO1    dock		17 /9  /2001		Zvezda Nadir (now Pirs)
P-M-SO1    undock#	26 /9  /2001		15:30  (Pirs module remains)
S-TM-32    undock	19 /10 /2001		Relocation, 10:45
S-TM-32    dock		19 /10 /2001		Pirs

S-TM-33	   launch	21 /10 /2001
S-TM-33    dock		23 /10 /2001		Zarya Nadir
S-TM-32    undock#	31 /10 /2001		1:45
P-M-45     undock#	22 /11 /2001		16:15

P-M1-7	   launch	26 /11 /2001
P-M1-7     dock		28 /11 /2001		Zvezda Aft
P-M1-7     undock#	19 /3  /2002		17:45

P-M1-8     launch	21 /3  /2002
P-M1-8	   dock		24 /3  /2002		Zvezda Aft
S-TM-33    undock	20 /4  /2002		Relocation, 9:15
S-TM-33    dock		20 /4  /2002		Pirs

S-TM-34    launch	25 /4  /2002
S-TM-34    dock		27 /4  /2002		Zarya Nadir
S-TM-33    undock#	5  /5  /2002		00:30
P-M1-8	   undock#	25 /6  /2002		8:30

P-M-46     launch	26 /6  /2002
P-M-46     dock		29 /6  /2002		Zvezda Aft
P-M-46     undock#	24 /9  /2002		14:00

P-M1-9     launch	25 /9  /2002
P-M1-9     docking	29 /9  /2002		Zvezda Aft

S-TMA-1	   launch	30 /10 /2002
S-TMA-1    dock		1  /11 /2002		Pirs
S-TM-34    undock#	9  /11 /2002		20:45
P-M1-9     undock#	1  /2  /2003		16:00

P-M-47     launch	2  /2  /2003
P-M-47	   dock		4  /2  /2003		Zvezda Aft

S-TMA-2    launch	26 /4  /2003
S-TMA-2    dock		28 /4  /2003		Zarya Nadir
S-TMA-1    undock#	3  /5  /2003		22:45
P-M-47     undock#	27 /8  /2003		22:45
S-TMA-2	   undock#	27 /10 /2003		23:15

no new information, but it should be handy if you want to work your way through the russian ISS missions and need some references

and btw, if you see any logical errors (like having two vessels at the same port...) let me know

thanks

 

[DaveS]

Probably because if it didn't work (which it didn't the first attempt) the Zarya would have been sent hurtling off into space. Well, not that dramatic, but you get the idea.

The initial problems with Zarya was that the RMS dragged it off the PMA-1 docking mechanism during docking ring retraction. It was solved by releasing the RMS from Zarya and then commanding the docking ring on PMA-1 to retract.

There was never any problems with capture of Zarya. The only problem was that the RMS created a misalignment between the two docking mechanisms as the PMA-1 docking ring was retracted to create a harddock between the two modules.

 

[Grover]

ok, finished!

P=Progress
S=Soyuz
undock# sigifies the final undocking of the craft

times accurrate to 15 mins and all are GMT or UTC (so should be accurate)


to use this timeline, pick your launch mission by looking at the top left item
in each block. these blocks are simple a space made before every launch.
then write down the following data, this tells you:
 *which order the operations were carried out in for this block
 *when you should perform the operation
 *how long you have (try to dock before the real astrnoauts did)
 *where to dock each vessel

using this, it saves you having to research each mission before flying it,
because I've done all of this research for you :D

NOTE: if you plan to fly the shuttle missions as well, you will need to find
the dates of their operations yourself, I take no responsibility for history
being re-written :P

next i might put some work in to get the shuttle fleet missions slid into
this, but theres alot of operations there...

anyway, enjoy the free research! ;)

______________________________________________________________________________
Mission    Operation    Date                    Remarks
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

P-M1-3     launch	6  /8  /2000
P-M1-3     dock		8  /8  /2000 		Zvezda Aft

S-TM-31    launch	31 /10 /2000
P-M1-3     undock#   	1  /11 /2000 		4:00
S-TM-31    dock   	2  /11 /2000 		Zvezda Aft

P-M1-4     launch 	16 /11 /2000
P-M1-4     dock     	18 /11 /2000		Zarya Nadir
P-M1-4     undock	1  /12 /2000		start of free-flight, 16:15
P-M1-4     dock		26 /12 /2000		Zarya Nadir
P-M1-4     undock#	8  /2  /2001		11:30
S-TM-31    undock    	24 /2  /2001 		Relocation, 10:00
S-TM-31    dock      	24 /2  /2001 		Zarya Nadir

P-M-44     launch	26 /2  /2001
P-M-44     dock		28 /2  /2001		Zvezda Aft
P-M-44     undock#	16 /4  /2001		8:45
S-TM-31    undock    	18 /4  /2001 		Relocation, 12:45 
S-TM-31    dock      	18 /4  /2001 		Zvezda Aft

S-TM-32    launch	28 /4  /2001
S-TM-32    dock		30 /4  /2001		Zarya Nadir
S-TM-31    undock#   	6  /5  /2001 		2:15

P-M1-6     launch	20 /5  /2001
P-M1-6     dock		23 /5  /2001		Zvezda Aft

P-M-45	   launch	21 /8  /2001
P-M1-6	   undock#	22 /8  /2001		6:00
P-M-45     dock		23 /8  /2001		Zvezda Aft

P-M-SO1    launch	14 /9  /2001		Modified Progress: Pirs module
P-M-SO1    dock		17 /9  /2001		Zvezda Nadir (now Pirs)
P-M-SO1    undock#	26 /9  /2001		15:30  (Pirs module remains)
S-TM-32    undock	19 /10 /2001		Relocation, 10:45
S-TM-32    dock		19 /10 /2001		Pirs

S-TM-33	   launch	21 /10 /2001
S-TM-33    dock		23 /10 /2001		Zarya Nadir
S-TM-32    undock#	31 /10 /2001		1:45
P-M-45     undock#	22 /11 /2001		16:15

P-M1-7	   launch	26 /11 /2001
P-M1-7     dock		28 /11 /2001		Zvezda Aft
P-M1-7     undock#	19 /3  /2002		17:45

P-M1-8     launch	21 /3  /2002
P-M1-8	   dock		24 /3  /2002		Zvezda Aft
S-TM-33    undock	20 /4  /2002		Relocation, 9:15
S-TM-33    dock		20 /4  /2002		Pirs

S-TM-34    launch	25 /4  /2002
S-TM-34    dock		27 /4  /2002		Zarya Nadir
S-TM-33    undock#	5  /5  /2002		00:30
P-M1-8	   undock#	25 /6  /2002		8:30

P-M-46     launch	26 /6  /2002
P-M-46     dock		29 /6  /2002		Zvezda Aft
P-M-46     undock#	24 /9  /2002		14:00

P-M1-9     launch	25 /9  /2002
P-M1-9     docking	29 /9  /2002		Zvezda Aft

S-TMA-1	   launch	30 /10 /2002
S-TMA-1    dock		1  /11 /2002		Pirs
S-TM-34    undock#	9  /11 /2002		20:45
P-M1-9     undock#	1  /2  /2003		16:00

P-M-47     launch	2  /2  /2003
P-M-47	   dock		4  /2  /2003		Zvezda Aft

S-TMA-2    launch	26 /4  /2003
S-TMA-2    dock		28 /4  /2003		Zarya Nadir
S-TMA-1    undock#	3  /5  /2003		22:45

P-M1-10    launch	8  /6  /2003
P-M1-10    dock		11 /6  /2003		Pirs
P-M-47     undock#	27 /8  /2003		22:45

P-M-48	   launch	29 /8  /2003
P-M-48	   dock		31 /8  /2003		Zvezda Aft
P-M1-10    undock#	4  /9  /2003		19:45

S-TMA-3	   launch	18 /10 /2003
S-TMA-3    dock		20 /10 /2003		Pirs
S-TMA-2	   undock#	27 /10 /2003		23:15
P-M-48	   undock#	28 /1  /2004		8:30

P-M1-11	   launch	29 /1  /2004
P-M1-11	   dock		31 /1  /2004		Zvezda Aft

S-TMA-4    launch	19 /4  /2004
S-TMA-4	   dock 	21 /4  /2004		Zarya Nadir
S-TMA-3    undock#	29 /4  /2004		20:45
P-M1-11	   undock#	24 /5  /2004		9:15

P-M-49	   launch	25 /5  /2004
P-M-49	   dock		27 /5  /2004		Zvezda Aft
P-M-49	   undock#	30 /7  /2004		6:00

P-M-50	   launch	11 /8  /2004
P-M-50	   dock		14 /8  /2004		Zvezda Aft

S-TMA-5	   launch	14 /10 /2004
S-TMA-5	   dock		16 /10 /2004		Pirs
S-TMA-4    undock#	23 /10 /2004		21:15
S-TMA-5    undock	29 /11 /2004		Relocation, 10:00
S-TMA-5	   dock		29 /11 /2004		Zarya Nadir 
P-M-50	   undock#	22 /12 /2004		19:30

P-M-51	   launch	23 /12 /2004
P-M-51	   dock		25 /12 /2004		Zvezda Aft
P-M-51	   undock#	27 /2  /2005		16:00

P-M-52	   launch	28 /2  /2005
P-M-52	   dock		2  /3  /2005		Zvezda Aft

S-TMA-6	   launch	15 /4  /2005
S-TMA-6	   dock		17 /4  /2005		Pirs
S-TMA-5	   undock#	24 /4  /2005		18:45
P-M-52	   undock#	15 /6  /2005		20:15

P-M-53     launch	16 /6  /2005
P-M-53	   dock		19 /6  /2005		Zvezda Aft
S-TMA-6	   undock	19 /7  /2005		Relocation, 10:45
S-TMA-6	   dock		19 /7  /2005		Zarya Nadir
P-M-53     undock#	7  /9  /2005		10:30

P-M-54	   launch	8  /9  /2005
P-M-54	   dock		10 /9  /2005		Zvezda Aft

S-TMA-7    launch	1  /10 /2005
S-TMA-7	   dock		3  /10 /2005		Pirs
S-TMA-6	   undock#	10 /10 /2005		21:45
S-TMA-7    undock	18 /11 /2005		Relocation, 8:45
S-TMA-7    dock		18 /11 /2005		Zarya Nadir

P-M-55	   launch	21 /12 /2005
P-M-55	   dock		23 /12 /2005		Pirs
P-M-54     undock#	3  /3  /2006		10:00
S-TMA-7	   undock	20 /3  /2006		Relocation 2. 7:00
S-TMA-7	   dock		20 /3  /2006		Zvezda Aft

S-TMA-8	   launch	30 /3  /2006
S-TMA-8	   dock		1  /4  /2006		Zarya Nadir
S-TMA-7	   undock#	8  /4  /2006		20:30

P-M-56	   launch	24 /4  /2006
P-M-56     dock		26 /4  /2006		Zvezda Aft
P-M-55	   undock#	19 /6  /2006		14:00

P-M-57	   launch	24 /6  /2006
P-M-57     dock		26 /6  /2006		Pirs

S-TMA-9	   launch	18 /9  /2006
P-M-56	   undock#	19 /9  /2006		00:30
S-TMA-9	   dock		20 /9  /2006		Zvezda Aft
S-TMA-8    undock#	28 /9  /2006		22:00
S-TMA-9	   undock	10 /10 /2006		Relocation, 19:15
S-TMA-9    dock		10 /10 /2006		Zarya Nadir

P-M-58	   launch	23 /10 /2006
P-M-58	   dock		26 /10 /2006		Zvezda Aft
P-M-57	   undock#	16 /1  /2007		23:30

P-M-59	   launch	18 /1  /2007
P-M-59	   dock		20 /1  /2007		Pirs
P-M-58	   undock#	27 /3  /2007		18:15

S-TMA-10   launch	7  /4  /2007
S-TMA-10   dock		9  /4  /2007		Zarya Nadir
S-TMA-9	   undock#	21 /4  /2007		09:15

P-M-60	   launch	12 /5  /2007
P-M-60	   dock		15 /5  /2007		Zvezda Aft
P-M-59	   undock#	1  /8  /2007		14:00

P-M-61	   launch	2  /8  /2007
P-M-61	   dock		5  /8  /2007		Pirs
P-M-60	   undock#	19 /9  /2007		05:15
S-TMA-10   undock	27 /9  /2007		Relocation, 15:30
S-TMA-10   dock		27 /9  /2007		Zvezda Aft

S-TMA-11   launch	10 /10 /2007
S-TMA-11   dock		12 /10 /2007		Zarya Nadir
S-TMA-10   undock#	21 /10 /2007		22:15
P-M-61	   undock#	22 /12 /2007		04:00

P-M-62	   launch	23 /12 /2007
P-M-62	   dock		26 /12 /2007		Pirs
P-M-62	   undock#	4  /2  /2008		10:30
S-TMA-11   undock#	19 /4  /2008		05:00


this concludes the Soyuz/Progress missions made avalable in the ISS 3.2
addon by Thornton, if he releases more missions, ill find the appropriate
data and slide it into this timeline

Thanks for the incredible addon Thornton!

 

[Thorton]

The only limits of the system is that you can notice tiny "jumps", especially at low FPS

...you can't dock to attached modules docking ports...

These two are totally unrelated, inability to dock to vessel attached as child is Orbiter issue.

 

[Grover]

Thornton, is there an expansion pack out there to allow us to fly later missions? i know it would require more meshes for ISS modules/components, but i just need to dock a TMA to the complete ISS

thanks man!

 

[Thorton]

Currently all my Orbiter work has been put on hold due the lack of time.

 

[Grover]

Currently all my Orbiter work has been put on hold due the lack of time.

i understand completely, and i wont nag.

happy Orbiting!

 

[N_Molson]

Originally Posted by N_Molson View Post
...you can't dock to attached modules docking ports...
These two are totally unrelated, inability to dock to vessel attached as child is Orbiter issue.

I know, this is a problem for Velcro Rockets too, that extensively uses attachments... I hope it will be fixed in next Orbiter release.

Good luck with RL work !

 

[Donamy]

Thornton, is there an expansion pack out there to allow us to fly later missions? i know it would require more meshes for ISS modules/components, but i just need to dock a TMA to the complete ISS

thanks man!

I spent alot of time on this one.

[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=5439"]US ISS A to Z Update[/ame]

 

[Grover]

I spent alot of time on this one.

US ISS A to Z Update

what exactly does this include? would it include the rest of the STS-launched station components? if so, it might be possible to finish off the ISS "storyline" up to the last STS launch, and also put some soyuz/progress launches in there as well!

ill check out the manual for it and see if i can work out if its do-able

thanks man!

 

[Donamy]

It is a totally seperate US ISS section, not compatible with Thornton's US section.