Pioneer anomaly

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Some okes in Portugal think they have the Pioneer anomaly all sorted out. Apparently it's due to heat from the main equipment box reflecting off the back of the main antenna dish contributing to the slowing of the craft over time.

When they do the calculations (using Phong shading which is entirely empirical so not based on any physical fact, but 'looks good enough' to humans to be a viable* model), the trajectory matches with their predictions. JPL are yet to review and validate the data


*Viable meaning here left entirely and deliberately vague due to not starting on an entirely firm setting.
 

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Would be interesting if this works out. I think it was Artlav who pointed out that the pioneer anomaly happens on the same magnitude as the expansion of the universe.
 

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Very interesting!!

It would be something of a blow to those speculating about hidden forces and things like that, if it turns out it was just radiated heat :uhh:

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Interesting. Didn't think heat could slow down a spacecraft. Of course i never really thought about it. This is why i love space so much unknown left to become known :)
 

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My own theory on this was to do with how the spacecraft concerned were slung around the Earth - if it was over land there was no anamoly, if over water there was. My theory was that there was something going on with the density of water on Earth giving the probe a tiny tiny nudge.

Well, it sounded good at the time. :lol:
 

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hmm that seems weird. is it supposed to be like some kind of infinitesimal propulsion then? Why wouldn't the pressure on the dish negate... would this be comparable to a radiometer?
 

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ScienceNews: Pioneer puzzle pinned on thermodynamics:
A puzzling deceleration of the Pioneer 10 and 11 spacecraft as they drift toward the edge of the solar system is almost certainly due to forces generated by onboard heating elements rather than an exotic force or modification of gravity, a new study concludes. But other researchers say the study, posted April 1 at arXiv.org, doesn’t fully explain the anomalous motion.

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The Planetary Society Blog: Pioneer Anomaly Solved!:
With the latest piece of the puzzle just published in a scientific journal, a solar system mystery that has perplexed people for more than 20 years has been solved, truly thanks to the support of Planetary Society members. That mystery is the "Pioneer Anomaly," an anomalous acceleration that affected the two Pioneer spacecraft as they left the solar system.

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Over the course of the past two decades, all sorts of solutions have been proposed, some of which invoked exotic "new" physics. In the end, recovery of more data and years of painstaking work have shown that no such exotic solution is necessary, but rather that anisotropic (big word for not-symmetric-in-all-directions) thermal radiation (big words for heat) can explain the mystery. This solution had already been suggested, and examination of the problem over time had made it seem increasingly likely, but only careful analyses could check whether anisitropic radiation could explain the anomaly. The latest piece of this analysis appears in a new scientific article by Slava Turyshev and colleagues.

The only way to solve this mystery was to look at much more data than had previously been available. That is where Planetary Society members stepped in. A few years ago, Slava Turyshev and his colleagues at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory were in desperate need of funding to help them do just that. With funds supplied by our members, Turyshev successfully chased down data from a number of sources. This was not an easy (or quick) task. These missions lasted for more than 30 years. Imagine all the people, computing formats, and hardcopy and electronic storage devices involved over that period, and you'll start to get an idea of the problem.

As Slava mentioned to us before, "We recovered more data than we dared dream possible. Without the rescue of the Doppler data, we would have been blind, never able to claim the quantitative data we need to solve the anomaly. The recovery of Doppler and telemetry data and the entire effort in thermal analysis would not have happened without the Planetary Society."

After they recovered the data, they had decades of Doppler data to analyze. That told them the true nature of the acceleration – the anomaly -- and how it acted over time including that it varied, rather than staying constant. See this discussion for more details on their Doppler results as well as more background on the Pioneer Anomaly.

To really nail down whether a thermal explanation alone could explain the anomaly required detailed thermal modeling of the spacecraft, and that is the focus of the new paper. This also could not have been accomplished without the saving of data facilitated by Planetary Society members. That process turned up spacecraft schematics used to construct the model, but also turned up data on spacecraft temperatures during the mission. The latter allowed comparison of real temperatures in a few locations with the model.

Why was the thermal emission from the spacecraft anisotropic and slowing the spacecraft down? First of all, because the Pioneer spacecraft were spin-stabilized and almost always pointed their big dishes towards Earth. Second of all, because two sources of thermal radiation (heat) were then on the leading side of the spacecraft. The nuclear power sources, more formally Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators (RTG), emitted heat towards the back side of the dishes. When the dishes reflected or re-radiated this heat, it went in the direction of travel of the spacecraft. Also, the warm electronics box for the spacecraft was on the leading side of the spacecraft, causing more heat to spill that direction. Photon pressure, the same type of thing used in solar sailing, then preferentially pushed against the direction of travel, causing a tiny, but measurable, deceleration of the spacecraft – the Pioneer Anomaly.

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arXiv.org: Support for the thermal origin of the Pioneer anomaly (PDF)
 

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Ok...now...

When will Orbiter implement this?
 

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I think we already have the equations for radiation pressure in there, all we need is one hell of a ray-tracer... :lol:
Well, we don't trace every particle through the engines or every photon with solar sail. So, I imagine we can still simulate this. (for whatever reason)
 

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So if you place the heat-generator on the BACKside of the vehicle, it will accelerate the vehicle continuously?

And is there enough life-span on the current heat-sources on the Voyagers to slow them down so much that they will eventually fall back in towards the sun? Or is it already certain, based on the current trajectory-data, and with the ongoing deceleration factored in, that they will never return to our system?
 

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So if you place the heat-generator on the BACKside of the vehicle, it will accelerate the vehicle continuously?

It's called a photon drive. It takes about 300 megawatt to produce one newton of thrust...
 

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It's called a photon drive. It takes about 300 megawatt to produce one newton of thrust...

Thanks :)

Can we say each nuclear powerplant, when running, accelerates down on the ground in the neighborhood of an extra 1 or 2 newton then (beyond their mere weight)?
 

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Can we say each nuclear powerplant, when running, accelerates down on the ground in the neighborhood of an extra 1 or 2 newton then (beyond their mere weight)?

Not unless they try really hard to focus their luminosity into the same point of the sky... :lol:

Power Plants usually get rid of their heat by thermal conduction, not by radiation.
 

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Isn't it when the photons hit the back of the antenna they create a push-effect on the space-craft? The antenna was on the 'back' side (pointing to earth) and the heat-source on the 'front' side (in the direction of travel). That's how I understood it at least. Somewhat similar to flying with a tiny amount of head-wind.

So I was figuring in the nuclear power plant scenario it would be similar in reaction to whatever the radiation hit that was beneath it. That that radiation-pressure would then push down on the earth ever so slightly. Not that a few newtons make a huge difference anyway though, but I was just wondering if such an effect was present :)
 

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Isn't it when the photons hit the back of the antenna they create a push-effect on the space-craft? The antenna was on the 'back' side (pointing to earth) and the heat-source on the 'front' side (in the direction of travel). That's how I understood it at least. Somewhat similar to flying with a tiny amount of head-wind.

So I was figuring in the nuclear power plant scenario it would be similar in reaction to whatever the radiation hit that was beneath it. That that radiation-pressure would then push down on the earth ever so slightly. Not that a few newtons make a huge difference anyway though, but I was just wondering if such an effect was present :)

Anyone know how effective Earth might be as a solar sail? :p
 
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