Avatar movie

[dansteph]

90% movies have no story then, "wow the bad guy has done this, wow the good guy stop him, what a surprise" :lol:

I think one should watch it with kid's eyes, I'm not sure I would appreciate star wars 1 so much if I would see him first time now at 44 with all my adult thought & engram.

What I found amazing with Avatar is that you can find almost all SF or fantasy things into it, it have a bit of tolkien, terminator, many SF novell, etc. etc. It's the big melting pot of all SF candies.

But Cameron did a so great job that it's still light and coherent. And the visual is absolutely exceptionnal.

I usually don't like that much blockbuster with pharaonic budgets and advertisment campagn, but I first heard about Avatar in this forum only 10 days ago and wanted to remain deaf to all thought and information before watching it. A good choice.

Finally one can love or hate it but for true SF fan there is no discussion I think. Star treck Star Wars and many great SF movies aren't much realistic and doesn't have much complicated stories either and many have a poor visual in comparison of Avatar.

For those that will watch him don't forget your 3d glasses BUT also your kid eyes.

Dan

 

[Urwumpe]

Most better children books have far more complex story lines and characters than teenage hype movies and many adult movies.

Just look at "The little hobbit", which is clearly a children's book compared to "The lord of the rings", but already tells more than just the stoic good vs bad of the worse stories. Or the majority of the Pixar movies.

And for movies that aim at teenagers and have a good storyline without too shallow characters, you have to say that the Harry Potter is still the best example of late. Strange but true... there are only very few movies that aim especially at this audience between 13 and 20 and have something like surprises in the storyline.

Actually I think that children stories are often far more subversive than what many people write for adults in mind. Because it is for children and children really think a bit different about the world. It is not that hard to consider adults some kind of crazy creatures, when you are 5.

 

[Brycesv1]

i havnt seen avatar yet but after reading what you guys wrote i cant wait. it also gives me a reason to get a date with the girl who moved in down the street. *high-five*

 

[dansteph]

Plain true,

But I was reffering to children eyes as "do not be polluted by film's budget, campaign, realism, comparison with other movies or what you think should be this movies"

Just watch and enjoy in brief.

I wasn't meaning it's too simplist or only for kid, just that sometime being adult is not necessary watching all things with a negative filter as we too often see in negative comments. Most start with reference to million $$$, advertisment campagn or Cameron's past which have nothing to do with what you actually see on screen.

Would it be produced by an anonymous guy with a minor distribution that 70% of basher would praise it as an exceptionnal film.
(yet 86% peoples rate it as exceptionnal)

Dan

 

[Urwumpe]

Would it be produced by an anonymous guy with a minor distribution that 70% of basher would praise it as an exceptionnal film.
(yet 86% peoples rate it as exceptionnal)

Yeah. I suspect the same would happen if Boll would release his movies anonymously.

Maybe some movies can't be ruined by any director or cast, while others require the right combination to be a success... who would have watched Blair Witch if it was from George Lucas?

 

[Ghostrider]

Yeah. I suspect the same would happen if Boll would release his movies anonymously.

The watchers would need to be drugged. I didn't know who the Boll was until I saw "Alone in the Dark" and after that I only wanted to retire him (in the Blade Runner sense) for running over one of my favourite game franchises with a bulldozer.

who would have watched Blair Witch if it was from George Lucas?

People with lightsabers?

 

[synonys]

Spoilers

I didn't like the ending. You just can't kick the human off and expect their to be peace everlasting. There is too much incentive for them to go to pandora because of the unobtainium. The humans could ran so much death from space andd I'm not talking about nukes from orbit, they could release their garbage on the way to pandora while they are traveling at near light speed and impact pandora with enough force to put a nuke to shame.

 

[dansteph]

Mhhh I don't agree fully, a silent extermination or displacment might have been a successeful operation but with so much loss the military will have a hard time to explain what happened, so there will be an investigation, the media will relate the event and I bet the public opinion will ask some head and survey more closely what happen on pandora.

Military learned hard way to keep the control over the media but this can't work when an operation is such a complete failure.

Dan

 

[Urwumpe]

Also, there is a reason why we don't use nuclear weapons for any what so ever conflict: What shall then there be left to be conquered? Fighting for a nuclear wasteland is pretty futile.

 

[synonys]

Bombing them with a near lightspeed projectile would leave no nuclear waste.

Although there would be significant backlash about trying to exterminate the intelligent life on another world, people would still want the unobtainium and would push for a peaceful solution. Humans are just going to leave pandora.

 

[Chupacabra]

Yes, I was also skeptical of the movie because of the trailers, yet I ended up enjoying it (and yes 3d does make this one special, but don't do it if you know it makes you motion sick). Probably one of the best science fiction films in recent history.

I agree with the earlier post about being able to write several different stories from the plot alone, much of it nonverbal. Of course, I also believe the film was conceivable from the biological point of view. It was a rather intriguing proposition. I think I would have been as giddy as Norm was to be doing research on Pandora (with or without an Avatar:lol.

Now, I have to wonder, why does everyone (aka the media) seem to believe that 3d animation exists solely for movies directed at children. Seems to me to be a lack of willingness to view media of other forms. But then again, my favorite movies are mostly from Pixar. Somethings, one can't grow out of.

 

[Andy44]

Well, the media idiots used to think cartoons were only for children, too, until Simpsons came along. They used to give Anime and Heavy Metal (the movie) a hard time.

 

[jedidia]

Bombing them with a near lightspeed projectile would leave no nuclear waste.

Indeed, that one would leave almost nothing at all...

Bioweapons are the ordnance of joice in such situations, I think. They will kill the enemy while not bothering your people at all (the genetical difference should well be big enough to allow for a specialised enough virus), and in this special case the enemy doesn't even have the capabilities of developing a cure. Pretty fail save, it would seem...

 

[Dig Gil]

The Na'vi take an evolutive step (rather cultural, but whatever) and enter in the Middle Age stage, all of sudden! This is enough to inventing the vaccine (or stealing technology) and research on why those farmers are immune to rabies... erh, that's Earth's story but you got the idea.

 

[Ghostrider]

You forget a small particular: now the Na'vi have humans (albeit Na'vi-fied) among them. Can you say "cultural contamination"? They'll learn from them and in very little time they'll come here, buy out the Earth's national debt, crash the stock market, kill us all with fire, release Windows 8 Decade Edition and steal every left shoe we have. If we're lucky, they'll do it in that order.

 

[Sky Captain]

Indeed, that one would leave almost nothing at all...

Bioweapons are the ordnance of joice in such situations, I think. They will kill the enemy while not bothering your people at all (the genetical difference should well be big enough to allow for a specialised enough virus), and in this special case the enemy doesn't even have the capabilities of developing a cure. Pretty fail save, it would seem...

Bioweapons are soooo boring. I`d prefer a Cool Stuff like RKV`s, asteroids, multi terawatt fusion or antimatter exhaust streams, orbital lasers, relativistic railguns, giant sun concentrating orbital mirrors.

 

[jedidia]

well, sure they got a kick-ass cool factor, but what about practicality? :lol:

and steal every left shoe we have.

No... not that. They can't be THAT mean!

 

[Ghostrider]

No... not that. They can't be THAT mean!

In that case they'll outsource it to this guy.

He may be an Elvis fan but you can't deny his mean streak.

 

[Eagle]

Bioweapons are soooo boring. I`d prefer a Cool Stuff like RKV`s, asteroids, multi terawatt fusion or antimatter exhaust streams, orbital lasers, relativistic railguns, giant sun concentrating orbital mirrors.

Agent Orange (or localized equivalent) and Napalm should be more than enough to clear out an area and defensible buffer zone for mining. After all its the unobtanium we're interested in, not the wildlife.

 

[Ark]

Bioweapons are soooo boring. I`d prefer a Cool Stuff like RKV`s, asteroids, multi terawatt fusion or antimatter exhaust streams, orbital lasers, relativistic railguns, giant sun concentrating orbital mirrors.

I'm partial to nuclear weapon-powered X-ray lasers, myself. :lol: