OHM Orbiter Base Maker V2.0.3

RisingFury · Aug 9, 2012

Well, I decided to make an airfield for OBSP myself. I'm working on Nellis Air Force Base using Orbiter Base Maker. It's a very handy tool, but I have some complaints, bugs (questions?) and some suggestions.

First off, I've never built a base, so I don't know how much of a hassle it is to do it by hand. I can say that having decent resolution tiles downloaded and placed is VERY handy. Also, placing meshes, runways,... by clicking is also very handy.

I seemed to have found either a bug or a wall of ignorance in my head...
I started meshing (yes, I did :facepalm

to create meshes for the airfield and I seem to have run into a problem. When I load the mesh into Orbiter Base Maker, it complains that it can't parse the mesh. There doesn't seem to be a log of any kind either in the installation folder or inside My Documents\Orbiter Base Maker, so I can't pass any details.

I can tell you that mesh loads fine in Orbiter - I placed it manually into the base configuration. It shows up just fine in Orbiter...

I used Anim8or with Urwumpe's export script. I'm a complete noob with mesh design, so I don't know if I screwed something up when making the mesh, if this is a bug in OBM or maybe I screwed something up elsewhere...

Here's the image of the mesh (untextured) - Air control tower at Nellis Air Force Base:

Code:

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I can provide the Anim8or mesh file if needed...

Suggestions:
- When adding tiles, provide the ability to move around, kinda like when placing objects. If you want to place level 4 textures far from the base marker... you can't.
- Make the ability to move easier. While there's nothing wrong with clicking the buttons, it would be far more convenient if you could just move the mouse to the edge of the window and that would make it scroll.

csanders · Aug 9, 2012

RisingFury said:
Well, I decided to make an airfield for OBSP myself. I'm working on Nellis Air Force Base using Orbiter Base Maker. It's a very handy tool, but I have some complaints, bugs (questions?) and some suggestions.
...
Suggestions:
- When adding tiles, provide the ability to move around, kinda like when placing objects. If you want to place level 4 textures far from the base marker... you can't.
- Make the ability to move easier. While there's nothing wrong with clicking the buttons, it would be far more convenient if you could just move the mouse to the edge of the window and that would make it scroll.

Thanks for providing the mesh. I will look into it.

You can "zoom out" once in the tile editor, which allows one to add tiles a little further from the center point, but you have to add the tile from an image file. It won't download when it is zoomed out.

As far as moving the map, you can "left-click drag" to move the map around, but only in the object editor, not in the tile editor.

RisingFury · Aug 9, 2012

Well, here is the finished product and I must say I'm surprised, but I was able to load it into Orbiter Base Maker.

I exported it from Anim8or as .obj and imported into Blender so I could do my UV unwrap. Then I exported back out from Blender as .obj and back into Anim8or, where I applied the material / texture. From there, I exported as .msh and now I can import the mesh just fine.

One thing I did notice in the mesh I posted is that it contained a hole... one poly was missing. Is that why OBM had trouble?

DaveS · Aug 9, 2012

Bug: Runway lights created using OBM doesn't work. The editor is also missing the PAPI/VASI configuration lines.

paddy2 · Aug 10, 2012

My own Base is coming on nicely thanks to this great addon. I have started to play with my own textures for blocks and hangers as learning 3D models and meshs is taking a bit too long for me.

My querry is why my own textures do not show on the OBM "menu". Once I have ammended the .cfg file by hand the new block shows in Obiter fine and then when the base is re-read into OBM the texture name shows up when I double click. Just can not add it to any other blocks. I could rename it to an existing file name that I am not using but that would prevent it being shared / downloaded with other folk.

Also would it be possible to allow remarks ("fred's hanger, north side"!!!) to be added to a Block / Hanger defination, they are allowed in the .cfg file.

Please dont think me ungrateful, I understand the hours of programming a simple request translates to!

Spacethingy · Aug 11, 2012

Woah. This is awesome, and I've only really spent time messing with the tile thing. That makes the whole tile thing a breeze!

Thank you so much!!! :cheers:

Suggestion: Any chance object placement could have Google Maps satellite imagery in the background? I appreciate you can't use imagery higher than level 4 from the server thing, but this would be useful for placing objects.

Sort-of-bug: Trying to load Canaveral causes a mesh parse error. The program hangs, and crashes; on reloading it appears in the loaded base area and can be edited. :shrug:

RacerX · Aug 12, 2012

Great addon. But I do have a problem. What if I want to create a base on my own custom planet? The drop down menu in OBM only shows planets for default solar system. Is there anyway to import a custom planet or have OBM read the current sol.cfg file in my orbiter installation?

Phoenix · Aug 13, 2012

A brilliant addon. Well done.

csanders · Aug 13, 2012

RacerX said:
Great addon. But I do have a problem. What if I want to create a base on my own custom planet? The drop down menu in OBM only shows planets for default solar system. Is there anyway to import a custom planet or have OBM read the current sol.cfg file in my orbiter installation?

OBM doesn't have any planets or moons hardcoded into it. It gets that information from the sol.cfg file. The planet/moon does need to have a radius greater than 50km before OBM recognizes it as a body big enough to have a base though.

EDIT: FYI, I've found a mesh-file parsing bug. If there was a "GEOM" entry with 0 vertices, OBM would return it as a failure. The next version OBM will just ignore those GEOM entries.

RisingFury · Aug 13, 2012

A few more recommendations:
- Ability to rename the base after you started the project.
- Maximize the size of the base editor by default.
- Ability to assign position and rotation the same way you assign scale. Sometimes it's useful because the interface can be quite clumsy.
- A ruler! Ability to draw lines and snap objects to those lines so that when positioning hangars or other objects, you can line them up nicely.
- Load meshes and textures into the program, so they show up from above, instead of just a rectangle. Sometimes it's very tough to figure out the orientation of an object or in case of large objects like taxi ways, the object fills up the entire screen.
- When exiting the Add/Remove/Edit Objects screen, either auto load the base or give an option to remove the damn "FYI:..." dialogue. I mean, I am a slow learner, but not that slow :lol:

RacerX · Aug 13, 2012

RisingFury said:
A few more recommendations:
- Ability to rename the base after you started the project.
- Maximize the size of the base editor by default.
- Ability to assign position and rotation the same way you assign scale. Sometimes it's useful because the interface can be quite clumsy.
- A ruler! Ability to draw lines and snap objects to those lines so that when positioning hangars or other objects, you can line them up nicely.
- Load meshes and textures into the program, so they show up from above, instead of just a rectangle. Sometimes it's very tough to figure out the orientation of an object or in case of large objects like taxi ways, the object fills up the entire screen.
- When exiting the Add/Remove/Edit Objects screen, either auto load the base or give an option to remove the damn "FYI:..." dialogue. I mean, I am a slow learner, but not that slow :lol:

also the ability to change the latitude and longitude directly in OBM once base is created.

paddy2 · Aug 17, 2012

Did not realise I was still using ver 1.1.2 so have had to play with the .cfg file by hand at times.

Got 1.1.3
LOVE the ability to enter values directly, perfect for fine tuning. There if you need it but still all the ease of a wysiwyg.

paddy2 · Sep 4, 2012

Got a problem. Loaded "google" tiles at layer 1 and at layer4 to give some detail to surrounding area. Made base tiles at level7 using fireworks to show roads and the like. When I view the base from the air ( 1km up) can see the "farmland" under the concrete of the layer 7 tiles. Tried a gray background, white background and transparent for the bitmaps but can not see the difference.

Each of the layer 7 tiles has a concrete layer 512 x 512 pixcels. On to this I add roads, road markings car park and the like and save the lot as a "PNG" bitmap. this is then added to the base via OBM1.3.

Surely layer 4 overwrites layer1, which is in turn overwriten by layer 7 ?????

paddy2 · Sep 8, 2012

Have found an answer.
After doing some editing I saw that all the tiles are of type 5 "dds", which has a transparent layer. So even if I make a PNG tile with no transparency, when its imported to the base OBM adds a transparent layer.
Using a program “XnView” I can convert all the tiles in a batch process from type 5 to type 1 ( no grass showing through the concreate !!!) but every time I make a change to any tile OBM will just reload all the tiles as type 5's again.

Sorry Program is DDS Converter 2, XNview allowed me to see "type1 / 5"

csanders · Sep 9, 2012

paddy2 said:
Have found an answer.
After doing some editing I saw that all the tiles are of type 5 "dds", which has a transparent layer. So even if I make a PNG tile with no transparency, when its imported to the base OBM adds a transparent layer.
Using a program “XnView” I can convert all the tiles in a batch process from type 5 to type 1 ( no grass showing through the concreate !!!) but every time I make a change to any tile OBM will just reload all the tiles as type 5's again.

Interesting problem. I'll have to think up a solution.

FYI, if you put your Type 1 .dds files in the appropriate OBM directory, it won't override them until you change the tiles in OBM, or force a "rerender" - if that makes since.

The root OBM directory should be in your documents directory (labeled "Orbiter Base Maker"). Then find the directory that has the name of the base. In that directory, there should be a "Textures2" directory. In that directory should be the .dds files in question.

Every time you "update" a base, that directory is the source directory for the .dds files it copies into Orbiter.

paddy2 · Sep 10, 2012

Thanks for getting back to me.

So if I have you right, if I change the OBM copies of the tiles to type1, they will be read in as type1....until I use OBM to add a modified "PNG" tile. Only this one will be converted and read to orbiter as a type5.

In my case I have a 16x8 (96) grid of layer 7 tiles, the most you allow. This in turn allows me a 5km runway. This gives me a base which is also an industrial estate, hence the mass of concrete.

Still think its a very fine piece of software.

csanders · Sep 14, 2012

paddy2 said:
So if I have you right, if I change the OBM copies of the tiles to type1, they will be read in as type1....until I use OBM to add a modified "PNG" tile. Only this one will be converted and read to orbiter as a type5.

OBM will convert ALL tiles whenever it detects a tile change. This "brute force" behavior isn't the best, but in older versions of OBM tile rendering used information from lower tiles and surrounding tiles to better blend tiles together automatically. Because of that, they all had to be generated together.

Since the newer version allows for a much easier ability to edit tiles, much of the "auto-blend" features have been removed (I suspect the only "auto-blend" feature remaining is causing your problem - more on that in a sec). So the "convert every tile" is something I can work on removing - but that only alleviates a symptom of the real problem.

The remaining "auto-blend" feature is one where OBM will insert transparency in the mipmap, so as one moves further away from a tile in Orbiter, the more transparent it becomes, causing it to 'fade away' much less noticeably. Type 1 DDS files don't have a way to "gradually" become transparent, so making the files type1 removes this feature. I believe projecting higher tiles onto lower ones, before conversion, will fix this problem - I'll have to experiment.

Improving the tile rendering options is in my "to do" list, but it might be awhile until I get around to fixing it.

paddy2 · Sep 14, 2012

Again thanks for "returning my call".
Its not a big deal to do one mass conversion when I have the final "production" tile image. Plus your program has taught me so much I am happy/confident to do one or two by hand.

I really get the fading away concept, makes a lot of sense and I am sure works best for the majority ( i.e. everyone but me!!). Might play with a darker shade of concrete to reduce the effect at ground level.

csanders · Sep 14, 2012

paddy2 said:
Again thanks for "returning my call".
Its not a big deal to do one mass conversion when I have the final "production" tile image. Plus your program has taught me so much I am happy/confident to do one or two by hand.

I really get the fading away concept, makes a lot of sense and I am sure works best for the majority ( i.e. everyone but me!!). Might play with a darker shade of concrete to reduce the effect at ground level.

You're welcome.

If you want to do it manually, this might work:

Let's say you have "regular background" on level 6, and you have the "concrete" on level 7.

Export the level 6 tiles to a .png
Export the level 7 tiles to a .png
Reduce the level 7 png file's resolution by half.
Copy the reduced resolution image onto the level 6 png (proper alignment might be the hardest part here, so you might want to keep a backup)
Import the level 6 png back into OBM.

paddy2 · Sep 15, 2012

One last question,
How do I convert from Lat/long to Surface Tile?
I have hunted the forum, googled my brain out and if one more web sites trys to sell me ceramic tiles I will scream.

OBM will happly convert a given lat / long (i.e. a base location) to the right surface tile and tell me I am half way down, a third to the right!!!

Does anyone have the maths or can give me a URL because I have spent hours and found nothing of use.

I can work out this from OBM by putting a blank tile down and seeing where it starts and ends but I am trying to write a spreadsheet to do the maths to help with laying out a base.

Thanks in advance

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